i still have fond memories of "dont knock noah" the first time i was dressed as a faun never forget that

and when they re-wrote it in brisbane it actualy was fun to watch and not just because you had a child or grandchild in the play

but the first time i went to meeting at annother church.. to feel the joy.. no wonder we wernt supposed to go to other churches, we would be able to see how much we were missing.

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i still have fond memories of "dont knock noah" the first time i was dressed as a faun never forget thatand when they re-wrote it in brisbane it actualy was fun to watch and not just because you had a child or grandchild in the playbut the first time i went to meeting at annother church.. to feel the joy.. no wonder we wernt supposed to go to other churches, we would be able to see how much we were missing.

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    Agree with you about the joy, and not only joy, to my amazement this  place we had found was full of people showing the fruits of the spirit, there was so  much love and joy, so much peace, everything we saw and heard was contrary to what we had been led to expect. THis was one of the "dead", compromised churches we had been warned against for so long, rubbished from the front at every oportunity.

That was 3 yrs ago now, and nothing has happened to change our new found joy, we never have to sing " I've got the joy joy joy" to convince ourselves.

How about the proverbial R E V I V AL , where everyone is enjoined to shout  "for the work in____________ (insert your assemby) has just begun."  Dreadful...

Yeah, their work. not God's.

there were many tedious choruses, but I have one story to tell about chorus leading.  We were at a camp during the week having a mid-week meeting. We were all a bunch of newbies, without a clue of what was going on, and how to do things.

The meeting leader was late, as often the case, so we decided to start ourself.  We did not know who to let lead choruses so we asked one of the girls do it and off we went singing.

A few minutes later the leader showed up, mildly surprised to see a sister leading choruses.   He stated that it was probably the only time in the history of the Revival centres that a woman had lead choruses or done anything up at the front like that.  

A great moment in the history of the RCI

Just for the record, there was and might still be a sister who leads the orchestra at the vogue for the play, Dont knock noah.

favorite chorus anyone,"The windows of heaven are open" just joking.

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Yes the obvious answer is "all of them" but which ones could you really not stand...I see Jehovah Jireh has been given a dishonourable mention a few times elsewhere on the forum but for me the one that made me want to rip my ears off was Happy Happy Happy. Naturally we preferred to sing the unofficial alternative version but you had to keep your voice down and be careful about who was sitting nearby lest they faint at hearing the word "crappy".

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How about  "I'll never be the same again, oh no, no, no, no ,no no no"? 

Man, I never want to sing such 'uplifting' (NOT!!!) choruses ever again!!!!

Mind you, I AM feeling particularly 'saved and happy now' now that I fellowship elsewhere and let me just say the worship songs are nothing like the old RF. No wonder they told us never to go to Penecostal churches - we'd get far too uplifted and closer to God. Heaven forbid!

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then you repeat it about 5 times! Everyone used to pick it because it had a catchy, upbeat tune - and i used to look around and ask people what spiritual relevance it had they just said they liked the song. hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

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I've been thinking a bit about the theme of this thread.........You know, there's not really much wrong with many of these songs, its the association we have with them and the sentiment that we have had as we dutifully sung them week after week, year after year.There was a certain 'deadened' spirit that was underlying the whole scene.

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It's a funny ol' thing eh Dog? I look back and remeber a dozen adults standing in my living room crooning along to "There's a river of life". It just seems so lame... The rolling eyeballs and silent groans we shared when starting out another session. There was a strange niceness to it, but even around a campfire, it was just too damn corny.

When I used to think about bringing friends or family to a meeting I just cringed at the thought of making them stand in rows or circles and clapping along with me to "Light up the fire". Most chorus leaders made me cringe too (hey, Im just being honest), I used to try to do weird crap on stage all the time to try and get the audience to smile because the ditties weren't doing it.

I remember going to a chorus leader's meeting once and getting a huge typed list from 'head office' about all the dos and don'ts of chorus leading. Dang, I should have kept that thing. I remember it being a very long and serious list. It said we weren't allowed to harmonize, that was the job of the chorus line.

Ohhhh!!! and Tom, remember the chorus singers. We really stepped up the pace and allowed 3 singers sometimes. We even allowed men to join in. And you were on the roster too. hahahahha... you looked so proud to be there, singing with the girls. God that was funny and so many people sang that reallllly couldn't sing at all. Sounded dreadful, but how do you convince poeple who think they can sing that they can't. You can't.. they just can't see it, they can't!

Cause I'm so happy, so God damn happy!!

One song I really cringed wth was There's a new world order, I felt I should raise out my arm and yell Zeik Heil. It really did feel like an evil'cultish song to me.

The other was I love this famly of God......I couldn't stand 3/4's of them and the other 1/4 I wanted to run around yelling danger danger, danger Will Robinson!!

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Yes the obvious answer is "all of them" but which ones could you really not stand...I see Jehovah Jireh has been given a dishonourable mention a few times elsewhere on the forum but for me the one that made me want to rip my ears off was Happy Happy Happy. Naturally we preferred to sing the unofficial alternative version but you had to keep your voice down and be careful about who was sitting nearby lest they faint at hearing the word "crappy".

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The one that i found most unusual was to sing was about ""the trees of the field clapping their hands and going out with joy"

However they wernt all bad and for those current revival centre people who must watch this site just to find out what is going on around their assemblies as well as their own as i am sure they do what about this song.  I am sure that you all can imagine the tune in your head

To be like Jesus  To be like Jesus   All that i ask is to be like him   All through lifes journey

Through earth to glory   All that i ask   Is to be like him

           Just remember all those people who have left and now you ignore just because they dont go along anymore.      Is that what Jesus would do    As far as i can recall he didnt ignore anybody

He just helped anyone who needed help

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Reply to : misswootyYes the obvious answer is "all of them" but which ones could you really not stand...I see Jehovah Jireh has been given a dishonourable mention a few times elsewhere on the forum but for me the one that made me want to rip my ears off was Happy Happy Happy. Naturally we preferred to sing the unofficial alternative version but you had to keep your voice down and be careful about who was sitting nearby lest they faint at hearing the word "crappy".The one that i found most unusual was to sing was about ""the trees of the field clapping their hands and going out with joy"However they wernt all bad and for those current revival centre people who must watch this site just to find out what is going on around their assemblies as well as their own as

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Very well said, but reading these threads, and from our own experiences, we know how unlike Jesus they are. Thy are good at talking the talk,( or singing the words)  but don't walk the walk that he commanded.  " Love one another as I have loved you ?" Forgiveness ? Turn the other cheek ?

"Judge not and ye shall not be judged, condemn not and ye shall not be condemned, forgive , and ye shall be forgiven ". "Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of  thine own eye, and then thou shalt see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brothers eye."      To quote but a few of the words they never sing, because they've forgotten them.

"I'll never be the same again" that's my favourite now, since I've  (realy ) found the Lord, I am not the same, and I'll never be the same again," And all the ex revivalists said Amen.

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Reply to : tshazaaaarghReply to : misswootyYes the obvious answer is "all of them" but which ones could you really not stand...I see Jehovah Jireh has been given a dishonourable mention a few times elsewhere on the forum but for me the one that made me want to rip my ears off was Happy Happy Happy. Naturally we preferred to sing the unofficial alternative version but you had to keep your voice down and be careful about who was sitting nearby lest they faint at hearing the word "crappy".The one that i found most unusual was to sing was about ""the trees of the field clapping their hands and going out with joy"However they wernt all bad and for those current revival centre people who must watch this site just to find out what is going on around their assemblies as well as their own as

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I think a great chorus leader, that is someone who is gifted and this is their ministry and not just someone on a roster because we want to give them a go, will make the chorus/worship time something special regardless of the songs - well maybe not happy happy happy!

On the other hand you can sing hillsong, planetshakers, city church etc and if the chorus/worship leader stinks then so will the worship.

It needs passion, motivation, people need to beleive what they are singing, the leader will take them to a place closer to God than when they started. I am sick of the "chorus leaders" stuffing up songs EVERY week and laughing about it, saying "oh sorry guys", and talking about last nights activity during this "blessed" time. Although the reports of last nights activity is sometimes more exciting than the choruses.

Anyway, my choice is - it's bubbling! start slow and then get as fast as you can til we almost all start speaking in tongues

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Reply to : old holbornReply to : tshazaaaarghReply to : misswootyYes the obvious answer is "all of them" but which ones could you really not stand...I see Jehovah Jireh has been given a dishonourable mention a few times elsewhere on the forum but for me the one that made me want to rip my ears off was Happy Happy Happy. Naturally we preferred to sing the unofficial alternative version but you had to keep your voice down and be careful about who was sitting nearby lest they faint at hearing the word "crappy".The one that i found most unusual was to sing was about ""the trees of the field clapping their hands and going out with joy"However they wernt all bad and for those current revival centre people who must watch this site just to find out what is going on around their assemblies as well as their own as

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    Well I try Frank, dont claim to be perfect in that respect. But I can say I now have a clearer picture of what  walking in love  means. What it certainly does'nt mean is to turn away from, and shun anyone who for whatever reason decides to leave your church, or is asked to leave for that matter. It does'nt mean making judgements on who is, or is'nt saved based on dubious interpretations of scripture. And it does'nt mean bullying, and  harassing, the flock to keep them in obedience to petty rules and regulations, in fear of losing their salvation, and banishing any one who does'nt toe the party line. I could go on , but these threads are full of examples of the " love " many of us have received  by belonging to these organisations, and we consider it our duty, in love, to warn others of the danger. Jesus got stuck into the Pharisees over their judgemental, and legalistic practises, but he never turned anyone away, or shunned them. but laid down his life for all.

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Reply to : franks ghostReply to : old holbornReply to : tshazaaaarghReply to : misswootyYes the obvious answer is "all of them" but which ones could you really not stand...I see Jehovah Jireh has been given a dishonourable mention a few times elsewhere on the forum but for me the one that made me want to rip my ears off was Happy Happy Happy. Naturally we preferred to sing the unofficial alternative version but you had to keep your voice down and be careful about who was sitting nearby lest they faint at hearing the word "crappy".The one that i found most unusual was to sing was about ""the trees of the field clapping their hands and going out with joy"However they wernt all bad and for those current revival centre people who must watch this site just to find out what is going on around their assemblies as well as their ow

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Thanks, Old Holborn I feel the love.

I just ran a house meeting tonight, cancelled the talk. We had extended heart felt testimonies, sang 3-4 songs-no leader just good guitar, then into praying for a stronger understanding of what relationship is. JUST SCRATCHING THE SURFACE NOW. 

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Reply to : old holbornThanks, Old Holborn I feel the love.I just ran a house meeting tonight, cancelled the talk. We had extended heart felt testimonies, sang 3-4 songs-no leader just good guitar, then into praying fora stronger understanding of what relationship is. JUST SCRATCHING THE SURFACE NOW.

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   Good on you, i would'nt knock that. after I left I did the same for a while. But at the same time I was searching for knowledge. For the first time in almost 20 yrs I was free to read other publications, bible commentaries, and yes this web-site. I had been a good rev. up till then, and obediant. It made me realise that I was a complete amateur, taught by amateurs, who had themselves been taught only by amateurs. I realised I was incompetant as a leader, my mind chock full of unsupported rubbish.

I joined an established church, one that has been around for 400+ yrs, \My eyes have been well and truly opened  to the hypocrysy, and the false gospel  I had recieved , and spread over those years. I attended bible studies, and only now some 3yrs later am I taking minor leading roles again, as a reader, and worship leader.  Repecting this sites rules, I'm not advertising that church, or making any claims for their superiority. I ve learned, and believe that it's just one part of the body of Christ, and as Paul tells us, a body is made up of many differing parts, and they all work differently, with different functions, but they all have the same head. I can happily worship, and we often do, with any denomination, without wanting to pull them to pieces, or insult them by telling them they are unsaved, because they dont speak in gibberish.

I often find myself singing in my mind the old Rev, choruses, I realy have nothing against most of them, they taught me many scriptures over the years, but I find many of them are the catchy bits from the hymn books of this old established church.

Dont just scratch the surface brother , dig deep, you've made a start by reading the stuff on here., may you uncover the truth, and come out from among them.

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Thanks again.

I'm an avid reader always have been and I'm not much of a follower of men. I am a business man, family man, son of God type of guy. My walks my own and I enjoy breaking up the fallow ground in me. I've pushed in a bit harder the last 16 months. yes 16 months, I actually know when I started to push in (even the night). Theory became practice. Book titles like "The Father Heart of God", "Whats so amazing about grace".

Something else I've done is been working with a mastermind group in Melb/ Syd for 8 years.

The facilitator was a 63 (70) Jewish Rabbi (spoke fluent Hebrew) and way he was clinical psych. and had been for 25 years. Man I have read some out there stuff over that time mostly left brain. Istopped last year I'd been opened up like a can of worms for 8 years I loved it.

I Love being challenged and shaking off rubish that holds us back. So with that background I've pressed into my relationship with my God. I guess I do come at the whole Church thing from a different perspective. Amatuers , with fear based walks that find themselves in leadership roles and cover up there own inadequacies by controlling, guilting sort of stand out to me. To that lot I'm not very forgiving or gracious. But I have had to learn to have a shepherds heart and love the sheep.

Yes I'm fascinated by the Forum and the diverse because if there is one thing that control freaks hate it's DIVERSITY. Diversity in people seems to bring out the worst is this crew. Being simple is one thing, being niave is something else. so lets see what unfolds!!!!!!!!!

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Reply to : old holbornThanks again.I'm an avid reader always have been and I'm not much of a follower of men. I am a business man, family man, son of God type of guy. My walks my own and I enjoy breaking up the fallow ground in me. I've pushed in a bit harder the last 16 months. yes 16 months, I actually know when I started to push in (even the night). Theory became practice. Book titles like "The Father Heart of God", "Whats so amazing about grace".Something else I've done is been working with a mastermind group in Melb/ Syd for 8 years.The facilitator was a 63 (70) Jewish Rabbi (spoke fluent Hebrew) and way he was clinical psych. and had been for 25 years. Man I have read some out there stuff over that time mostly left brain. Istopped last year I'd been opened up like a can of wor

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   I 'm beginning to get a clearer picture of you, and where your coming from. But I think you will  find your days are numbered. Before very long there will be a visit from J.K, who will no doubt  have read your comments, or they will have been reported to him. TWMBA will be pulled up short, and either conform or be liquidated, as have many assemblies here in the UK. in the last couple of years. You are flogging a dead horse all the time you remain under their control. Another method is to out the pastor, and replace him with a hardliner to sort out and get rid of all the liberal free thinkers. labeling them as backsliders,  It's the revival way. Read the Uk RF thread.

Maybe thats what you are  waiting for ?  If you all left RF, I wonder what gospel you would be preaching, somehow I suspect it would still be no tongues, no salvation, I may be wrong, but I get the feeling . And thats a doctrine  invented by Lloyd Longfield, who also  advocated  permanant excommunication, British Israel,  bible numerics.and no compromise, making his group separatist, isolated from the rest of christianity. Which of those will you continue to maintain, wether in ,or out.?  I notice you hold up your hands in horror at the treatment a young married man is recieving, recorded on another thread, apparently under the same RF banner. By their fruit shall ye know them, Jesus said, and Paul tells us what that fruit is. Not much sign of it in that place, but as long as every one speaks in tongues it's alright I suppose. thats the main thing.          It's indefencible, do yourself a favour, and leave now.

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I have asked the Guy on that thread to let me know what group, I suspect it's GRC of which I know very little about.

Accept a number of years ago  came across some in TMBA while driving around showing them some houses, when they discovered that I was RCI at the time they wanted out and would never return my calls.

Sorry Old Holborn my life experience is such that I see things very different to you. I mix with stacks of other christians who enjoy and embrase the Holy Ghost experience and their prayer in TOUNGES. If ever I prickle up it's when I here you describe it as GIBBERISH.

I recognise now that this is a community on this forum and I'm just visiting. I was shown that very clearly the other day.

For the record I love the fact that I have been baptised into the Body of Christ by water & Spirit, the contrast change for me coming out of the world, drugs the whole lot was sooo powerful. The walk has continued to be challenging at all levels whilst I married grew a family, built a business and did things as self development and generally lived my life. I have many examples of the power of God in my life.  As I may have mentioned a couple of times, I just stumbled on this site and I used it to download my dissapointment at the treatment of Steve. However that doesn't mean I have a heap of baggage or that I'm anti tongues, anti God or for that matter anti RF (shock horror).  My personal experience is not like yours or many others in this community, as I said this is laregely new to me.

So I'm not bitter don't have a particular agenda, accept perhaps to understand some of the people on the forum. For no doubt the stories are real. But I'm not a fan of generalisation, in that all we see is human nature at work.  For me if there's anything I have been working on lately (Dec 05, big time) it's judgement and how it has effected my life.  I've been riddled with it. So when I started to address that (in my life, not others) lots of things started to improve for me.

So if there one thing I am a little sensative to at the moment it's judgement and how it effects our thoughts and behaviours. So as people push and pull to grap your attention , this way and that the one thing the many realize is that I'm on GODS side. If he wants to direct my paths then I'll give hime plenty of time so that can if necessary can happen, hence I love prayer,  meditation and reading the WORD of GOD.  Even as I say these things I can almost hear the joint grown go up from some of the Forum members. This talk must sound just so niave to some.

So there it is , that another bit of me shared and bared.

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Like Franks Ghost I also still believe in tounges (not as a salvation thing) but as being part of the relationship with God and the holy ghost, I think people have a realtions ship with God outside of this also, however its a dimension to ones walk that is to powerful (for me)  to be with out, and Yes I would encourage those that have not yet recieved the baptisim of the holy spirit to do so, not under compulsion but in a ":wait there is more" Like I have found out sionce leaving the revers 10 years ago, there is SOOOOO much more to God , the Holy Spirit and the Body of Christ ie the church/believers etc.

Grace to all

Hi Ian

thank you for your thoughts and response, I am not here to argue the rights and wrongs. I find your post informative and thought provoking (in a good way) I also believe that I Hve  the gift of tounges. Will visit your site and have a read

The Revival fellowship and similar are only a small part of the church community that speak in tongues, there are many, some 600 million christians throughout the world  that speak in tongues.

There are 2 tongues mentioned in the bible one is essential, one is not. The receiving of the Holy Spirt with the evidence of speaking in tongues is essential, then one might receive the spiritual gift of tongues , which may be about 10 percent of the folk in any given church that understands and has the spiritual voice gifts. 

It is largely legalism in the revival churches that we dont like,as it doesnt allow us to work our our own salvation,with fear and trembling,but rather fear and tremble at the oversight.

Its hardly any credit to anyone to continually tell us that we should not or dont need to speak in tongues as we would like to have that choice.

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Wow what happened to this thread about lets bag the revival songs???? Dear Chartdoctor I'm not sue whether your for or against , I don't quite understand the last sentence.

At any rate I have an authentic tongue, authentic walk & my family are an authentic blessing.

Ian I'll pass for now

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Reply to : ChartdoctorWow what happened to this thread about lets bag the revival songs???? Dear Chartdoctor I'm not sue whether your for or against , I don't quite understand the last sentence.At any rate I have an authentic tongue, authentic walk & my family are an authentic blessing.Ian I'll pass for now

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     It's my experience on this site that whatever the thread starts off at, the subject of tongues will rear it's head, and there will be fierce debating. All the same arguments will be set forth, for and against. The subject has been fully covered again, and again. I'm not anti tongues myself, because that would be a denial of the word, but like Sott 1 I believe it to be a minor gift. The scriptures dont refer to it as " the evidence " of salvation. In fact Paul states quite plainly that God has appointed some in the church to do this, he goes on to speak of a better way, that is more excellent than all,. Elevating the gift of tongues above all the other many gifts, and making it the key to the kingdom is an invention. The claim that  all the gifts are given to evey one is not supported by scripture.

But this argument will still be raging when that trumpet blows, did I realy recieve the gift of tongues 20 yrs ago, or was I urged and fired up until my allelujhas became gibberish I would be more certain, had it come at  the moment, some time before when \I made my decision to get baptised and to walk with Jesus., as I was driving to work. Had I recieved a recognisable language that I had'nt learned I would be totaly convinced.

Any one out there who that happened to?,  If there is ,I've never heard of it.

Franks ghost reply and light and dark

I am definitely for, tongues, as like light and dark, its the most important experience we can ever have, as for chalenging a persons relationship with God, I dont need to ,as in Romans 8 reading carefully how many times Paul states that IF we have the spirit, and if we be the Sons of God, meaning he is aware of Christians trying to enter with out the spirit, and he is blunt, No way he says.  I dont want to go on here too much  here at this time.

The thread has diversed  somewhat however does that really matter too much? We  dont want too much legalism.

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Reply to : franks ghostReply to : ChartdoctorWow what happened to this thread about lets bag the revival songs???? Dear Chartdoctor I'm not sue whether your for or against , I don't quite understand the last sentence.At any rate I have an authentic tongue, authentic walk & my family are an authentic blessing.Ian I'll pass for now It's my experience on this site that whatever the thread starts off at, the subject of tongues will rear it's head, and there will be fierce debating. All the same arguments will be set forth, for and against. The subject has been fully covered again, and again. I'm not anti tongues myself, because that would bea denial of the word, but like S

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I am definitely for, tongues, as like light and dark, its the most important experience we can ever have, as for chalenging a persons relationship with God, I dont need to ,as in Romans 8 reading carefully how many times Paul states that IF we have the spirit, and if we be the Sons of God, meaning he is aware of Christians trying to enter with out the spirit, and he is blunt, No way he says. I dont want to go on here too much here at this time.The thread has diversed somewhat however does that really matter too much? We dont want too much legalism.

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Yep, here we go. People seem to be afraid to post in the actual doctrine discussion room.

Chartdoctor doesn't want legalism but is happy to judge another's christianity by their ability to make nonsensical sounds.

The following threads are where this has all been said and done so far and although I don't prescribe exactly to Ian's stance on the actuality of tongues, I'm yet to see anyone put a chink in his armour concerning tongues not being the only evidence of salvation etc. Oh and to see Chartdoctor even try to discuss the argument again would be embarrasing and ridiculous and I very much doubt Ian would even bother. Charty doesn't want to see any other point of view and therefore won't.

SPEAKING IN TONGUES - an Unsound Evidence of Salvation - The Misconception Revealed - and The History of Glossalalia  

 Is tongues actually speaking in other languages? Can it be faked? (Latest studies into Glossallia)

 (Pillnut) - Acts 2 and the 'miracle' of Tongues   [Charty tries hard in this one]

 RF Youngies debate tongues and salvation (arrogant youth groups know everything don't they)

Mark16: an Exegetical Essay   (Ian's work - highly recommended for those who actually went to High school and can read more than 3 paragraphs at one time)

Brisbane RF forum - Mark 16 - Holy Spirit, an it or a who? - various other topics   (Ian again mostly I think)

Tongues and the spiritual gifts - two at the most three   (this is eye opening stuff for the thinking Revivalist)

Tongue fixated churches and/or cults   (Stupid Moth stuff)

(Pillnut) - Tongues as evidence of Salvation (Sabrina and whatshisname roll up the sleeves)

Questions on salvation, tongues, & the Holy Spirit   (mostly dribble)

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The Revival fellowship and similar are only a small part of the church community that speak in tongues, there are many, some 600 million christians throughout the world  that speak in tongues.

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Ha Charty, guess what percentage of that ridiculous christian statistic is that don't believe in the necessity of tongue waggling for salvation?

.00876%

But then 34.45% of all statistics are lies and fabrications anyway hey?

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Reply to : ChartdoctorThe Revival fellowship and similar are only a small part of the church community that speak in tongues, there are many, some 600 million christians throughout the world that speak in tongues.Ha Charty, guess what percentage of that ridiculous christian statistic is thatdon'tbelieve in the necessity of tongue waggling for salvation?.00876%But then 34.45% of all statistics are lies and fabrications anyway hey?

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 While Franks away at Canbera for the week end, any chance of getting back to the thread?   Lets talk about Jesus, now that was quite good

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Yeah ok, what do you think of the tombs James Cameron found with the remains of Jesus and his wife and kid?

James Cameron? You'd think he'd be rich enough without stirring up the Americal Bible Belt eh with the trash?

Reply to Moth and Rust

Reply to : : MothandRustReply to : ChartdoctorThe Revival fellowship and similar are only a small part of the church community that speak in tongues, there are many, some 600 million christians throughout the world that speak in tongues.Ha Charty, guess what percentage of that ridiculous christian statistic is thatdon'tbelieve in the necessity of tongue waggling for salvation?.00876%But then 34.45% of all statistics are lies and fabrications anyway hey? While Franks away at Canbera for the week end, any chance of getting back to the thread? Lets talk about Jesus, now that was quite good.

    Sounds like a money spinner alright though, many people want to believe that story, I remember it was around 20 yrs ago, my eldest daughter and her husband read it and were convinced the descendants of Jesus were living in the south of France   She was the only one of my family who held out, and  could.nt  be persuaded to come along to anything. \Very wise as it turned out, she saved herself a lot of heartache.

Now along comes this guy, with "proof " About as authentic as the Turin shroud.  How many pieces of the cross are still  buried under RC altars I wonder ?

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While Franks away at Canbera for the week end, any chance of getting back to the thread? Lets talk about Jesus, now that was quite good.

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Now here I was thinking a quick look at the site before I head to the airport and Oh no I'm gonna be humming lets Talk about Jesus.

Have fun you sorry lot

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Reply to : old holbornWhile Franks away at Canbera for the week end, any chance of getting back to the thread? Lets talk about Jesus, now that was quite good.Now here I was thinking a quick look at the site before I head to the airport and Oh no I'm gonna be humming lets Talk about Jesus.Have fun you sorry lot

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Let the spirit of the lord saturate your soul, (if they only meant what they where singing about)

Jesus is the joy of living,

Theres a million sons in my heart,

The windows of heaven are open,

Theres revival in the air today,

We recomend christ, our lord and master 

Come bless the lord, all you servents of the lord

When the gates swing wide on the other side,

Halulujah I want to sing all about it,

rejoice in the lord always and again i say rejoice,

Some bodys here and i know it is Jesus,

Like honey in the rock,

Lift high the banners of love halelujah,

Behold the tabernacle of God,

Stop and let me tell you what the good lords done for me,

I can run through a troop and leap over a wall,

Silver and Gold have I none (its all in the tithe bag)

But wait theres more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I will leave that for another day

centrals never busy ie telephone to Glory

the other never heard of???

Make my life to be (oh glory) like a melody

jesus keep me as the apple of thine eye righr under the shadow of thy wing....

heavenly father I appreciatte you

just one day nearer home

the steps of a goos man are ordered by the lord

how great is our God

move move move oh move with God, Glory halleujah

Im save and happy now

mine eyes have been enlightened to now the hope

any more?????????????????????