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Title: Goodies and Baddies
  
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Tarquin the Magnificent
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Rank:Rookier II

Score: 1760
Registered: 05/03/2007

(Date Posted:22/09/2008 00:27:55)

Hi North London

It’s funny how secretive everything always has to be in “Revival World”.

It is a world of “Goodies” versus “Baddies”, in which the person who leaves, or is ejected from the fellowship, is always the “Baddie”. They are always fully wrong, and the self-righteous wheels of the group will continue to roll onwards. But the destination of this train is station  “Complete Dysfunction”.

Life becomes more and more scary and unreal as friends disappear, and whatever the facts of the case in hand, you must never contact them. You may have been friends for years, but it’s dangerous. It is the last days “falling away”, "us" versus the “enemy”.

It is a powerful mindset, for surely the fellowship is always right despite all evidence to the contrary. Don’t talk to people who have left, they are contaminants, they are disruptive and bitter, they will trip you up, you could lose your salvation. Your salvation is remaining where you are. Obey those at the front, “touch not the Lord’s anointed”.

It becomes a world of whispers, secrets and pretending. You can lose your own identity, you don’t know who you really are anymore, you question your own ability to think and make decisions for yourself. Revival world grips you tighter. Walking in the Spirit is based upon performance within assembly “guidelines”, and keeping those who lead feeling secure.

Why do gentle men become bullies? Simply because of the age old truth that men become like the god they worship. If good men are to progress within the group, they will invariably begin to change for the worse.

Bullying and domination of the flock within RF will continue to increase in proportion to the group’s progressive slide from reality. There will always be threats seen everywhere, “baddies” lurking around every corner.



(Message edited by Tarquin the Magnificent On 22/09/2008 01:01:52)
Sea Urchin
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Registered: 15/02/2007

RE:Goodies and Baddies
(Date Posted:22/09/2008 03:19:53)

Very true Tarquin!

It seems that no matter which country 'THE' assembly is in, it's always run the same way - poorly!

The culture of RF has not changed and will not change even though there might seem to be 'positive changes happening' in some assemblies right now. Unfortunately, they are trying to lure people back (I know of at  least two families that they're working on currently) by saying that they've made changes for the better ((even though this doesn't mean that it was worse or (God forbid) WRONG at some stage though?))

Funny old RF!

Urch
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Registered: 14/02/2008

RE:Goodies and Baddies
(Date Posted:22/09/2008 17:59:48)

The trouble is that the RF leadership base all their "theology" on prooftext King James script and hence without the skills and the necessary good fundamental tools such as a UBS4 Greek New Testament, they really are completely amiss.  The people of the RF are being so very easily led astray by men who are just so highly hermeneutically incompetent at handling Holy Writ.   ... Hence the mess the RF find themselves in..

Disciple







(Message edited by Disciple On 22/09/2008 18:09:57)
Tarquin the Magnificent
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Rank:Rookier II

Score:1760
Registered: 05/03/2007

RE:Goodies and Baddies
(Date Posted:22/09/2008 20:28:32)

Hi Urch and greetings North London

You are quite right Urch, they are poorly run, and as you say, wholly incapable of apology.
Many of the men I have known in RF leadership positions would make good case studies for in-depth psychological profiling.

What should be looked at is how they have changed as people, their irrational upholding of the mindset that the fellowship cannot be wrong, the double-speak, the hedging, the turning of shocking errors into assembly triumphs, the identification of dangers, the fear they now live in,  the gossip at leaders meetings, the solemn nodding of heads at discussions of "problem people" and all the "problem people's" problems.

I have some terribly sad memories of people who knew the oversight (I use the term loosely) were on their cases for one thing or another. They knew they were perceived as "problem people" and it affected them in different ways. And of course, the problems were not biblical problems at all.

This is a real danger as I see it - the turning of random events, circumstances, and human characteristics into Christian fellowship problems, when clearly they are nothing of the kind. It sets the scene and the tone, and is a grimy RF tool, a shoddy destructive mindset that attaches to you like superglue. You can easily become ensnared in the nonsense.

Welcome to Revival World.

(Message edited by Tarquin the Magnificent On 23/09/2008 07:44:02)
Jojo the Lion
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RE:Goodies and Baddies
(Date Posted:24/10/2008 09:47:47)

In London it sometimes seemed that each talk from the altar was a not very subtle coded address to specific members or factions of members in the assembly.  Talks seemed to have been prepared in the same way that politicians make statements and interviews to the press as thinly veiled assaults on other politicians.  Towards the end this was pretty much all I really heard from the talk.  The party leader would tell us to open our bibles and turn to a certain passage and in seconds I could guess what point he would be about to make about certain attitudes of certain sorts of people.  The expulsions and purges were straight out of Comrade Stalin's handbook too.

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Jojo the Lion
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RE:Goodies and Baddies
(Date Posted:10/11/2008 10:56:25)

Lurpak is the best thing that came from Denmark!  Isn't there an additional Lurpak Lite now?

 

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Tarquin the Magnificent
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RE:Goodies and Baddies
(Date Posted:12/11/2008 22:37:45)

"Revival World" is a way of life, but it is not real life. Nor is it biblical life. The scenario played out truly does become "Goodies vs Baddies" with dangers and problems seen absolutely everywhere.

My incredulity at my own previous stupidity is known by those who visit this website and used to know me, so no more self flagellation now.

The imaginary dangers extend out even further, and problems are seen amongst even those who believe the same things - RF see dangers with RCI/CAI and GRC, RCI see dangers with RF/GRC/CAI, GRC see dangers in RF/RCI/CAI, and CAI.......do you see what I mean? Each group knows they are right, and can articulate why. This graceless disease of the mind really knows no bounds.

I was in RF. It was always RF vs The World. When a small group breaks from the main body of which ever branch, it can become Small Group vs Revival vs The World - an immediate increase in perceived problems, compromisers and potential enemies.

Goodies and Baddies, a symptom of Revival World. It can extend out as far as any person wants it too.

I get pm messages from current and ex-members, and with current members I notice the same thing. They make contact, I reply, and then the fear grips them, it can almost be smelt through the computer. They become aware of transgressing expected behavioural requirements of the cult. They are on the verge of starting up a correspondence with a "fall away". They then disappear into the night.

I remember a London RF'er telling me that although we had left, he was going to keep in touch no matter what, and hang the consequences! Very brave, I thought at the time. Weeks later the "pastor" of his group said he wished to speak to him. My friend pre-empted the reason, called me, and said "I'm phoning to say that I'm breaking contact with you..and I'll be telling the pastor this"

Revival World had gripped my mate. It turned out to be nothing to do with him talking to me, but he never did make contact again. What did he think God would do to him, and what kind of life is this?


 



(Message edited by Tarquin the Magnificent On 13/11/2008 05:48:14)
Jojo the Lion