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brolga
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RE:Light reading
(Date Posted:15/03/2008 01:50:32)
Moth,
Fww; I was just browsing through an old dictionary I found at the school and page opened to the word dogmatic.
Viz: dog.mat.ic 'Someone who is dogmatic about something is convinced that they are right about it and does not consider other points of view.'
Something I must remind myself always, not to get dogmatic.
brolga
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Who said it could not be done? And tell me what great victories does he have to his credit which qualifies him to judge others accurately?
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Didaktikon
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Reply To Male Member
(Date Posted:15/03/2008 02:21:40)
Dude,
The reason these people aren't in Revival is that they don't hold to the Word of God.
Really? Well, speaking for myself, the reason that I'm not in "Revival" (a misnomer if ever there was one) is because I do hold to the Word of God. And, of course, I understand it too.
Truth is, we don't want their nonsense in our fellowship.
What? The Word of God?
I have presented 5 Bible translations to support my view that ALL the believers spoke in tongues on the day of Pentecost.
The sad bit is that you don't even understand why your position with respect to the "5 Bible translations" is so stupid 
That's not good enough for this mob. The Bible should be the END of the argument. Not for this mob.
It is for me. Which is why I keep raising it with you. But with you, the "end" clearly isn't Scripture at all, it's your personal "experience".
And not that it would do any good in this forum but here are some MORE expert translations that support this view. Ian hasn't come up with ONE SINGLE translation that supports HIS view.
I think you'll find that I've already disproved your position. Others are smart enough to understand why, clearly though, you aren't. Your problem, not mine 
Dear reader please consider...
Good News translation
When the day of Pentecost came, all the believers were gathered together in one place.
The Complete Jewish Bible
Guess what? The words "all the believers" doesn't appear in the original Greek text. Anywhere. In any manuscript.
God’s Word Translation Acts 2
1 When Pentecost, the fiftieth day after Passover, came, all the believers were together in one place. 2 Suddenly, a sound like a violently blowing wind came from the sky and filled the whole house where they were staying. 3 Tongues that looked like fire appeared to them. The tongues arranged themselves so that one came to rest on each believer. 4 All the believers were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other languages as the Spirit gave them the ability to speak.
Guess what? The words "all the believers" doesn't appear in the original Greek text. Anywhere. In any manusript.
Weymouth New Testament Acts 2
1 At length, on the day of the Harvest Festival, they had all met in one place; 2 when suddenly there came from the sky a sound as of a strong rushing blast of wind. This filled the whole house where they were sitting; 3 and they saw tongues of what looked like fire distributing themselves over the assembly, and on the head of each person a tongue alighted. 4 They were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and began to speak in foreign languages according as the Spirit gave them words to utter.
'Yep'. "They" had all met in one place. Guess who the "they" refers to? Any ideas yet?
You're not arguing with me. This is the Word of God.
Actually 'nope'. It isn't the Word of God at all, simply your (as I've said before) thoroughly stupid misrepresentation of the same 
Hey guys you've tried the put downs, maybe if you start swearing at me I'll go away........ maybe... hahahahaha
Interesting. I'd prefer that you stayed. You've much to learn.
Blessings,
Ian
(Message edited by Didaktikon On 15/03/2008 04:31:27)
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MothandRust
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Reply To Male Member
(Date Posted:15/03/2008 02:31:25)
Rust Bucket: What do you expect at the OK Corral, a tea party? Ian just called me a twit!
No, he said you 'present yourself' as a twit. I used to present myself as Santa Claus in Myers by my appearance. We recognise the twittyness because most of us spent many years in Revival and remember what life was like wearing the 'blinkers'. You may not be an actual twit, but your 'presentation' thus far speaks for itself. Ignoring the actual Greek text is, in itself, fairly stupid. Not to say you are stupid... get the distinction?
Boo hoo. I've been mortally wounded! Don't think so. Yeah I've been a bit cheeky here, thrown in some ideas out of left field and rattled some cages.
I was guessing early twenties before, but I'm going for late teens? Let me know if I'm getting closer.
If you want to rewind way back to the start of this thread I said this would be a merry go round. Only it's not so merry.
Yeah, reading back through the thread was interesting AND entertaining (so therefore it WAS and continues to be actually merry to me).
The reason these people aren't in Revival is that they don't hold to the Word of God.
And they're probably fornicators too. Bastards... they certainly don't hold to the word of Revivalism. You use the same words, with a uniquely twisted interpretation, and lots of jibberish language to boot.
I have presented 5 Bible translations to support my view that ALL the believers spoke in tongues on the day of Pentecost.
A list of English bible names of English translations that they're also using and studying... and they still didn't agree with your deluded interpretations of them? Maybe you could actually commentate or give an informed opinion other than what your house-leaders have told you.
That's not good enough for this mob. The Bible should be the END of the argument. Not for this mob.
And not that it would do any good in this forum but here are some MORE expert translations that support this view.
OK, and LOOK... you've brought scriptures into the discussion. How novel! Cool, let's have a look.
Good News translation - Acts 21 When Pentecost, the fiftieth day after Passover, came, all the believers were together in one place. 2 Suddenly, a sound like a violently blowing wind came from the sky and filled the whole house where they were staying.
Hey, MaleMember did you get the sound of violent blowing wind in your experience? Is that the testimony of all the believers of Revival?
3 Tongues that looked like fire appeared to them. The tongues arranged themselves so that one came to rest on each believer.
Hey MaleMember, did you get the little tongues of fire resting on you? Be honest. No? Hmmm... No one has ever testified of this other than renaissance artists. Nice paintings and literary device, but nah... not happening is it?
4 All the believers were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other languages as the Spirit gave them the ability to speak.
Hey MaleMember, did you speak in other languages, or just a repetitive jumble of sounds? Be honest.
Weymouth New Testament - Acts 2 1 At length, on the day of the Harvest Festival, they had all met in one place; 2 when suddenly there came from the sky a sound as of a strong rushing blast of wind. This filled the whole house where they were sitting; 3 and they saw tongues of what looked like fire distributing themselves over the assembly, and on the head of each person a tongue alighted. 4 They were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and began to speak in foreign languages according as the Spirit gave them words to utter.Hey MM, did you get the ability to speak in foreign languages? Is this a common experience of all who speak in tongues and are 'saved' in your church... or is it all shigida shigida? Again, be honest with yourself and others reading.
You're not arguing with me. This is the Word of God.
Yes OK. I'm looking straight at your English versions and I'm not seeing much match up at all with your 'experience', to start with.
Hey guys you've tried the put downs, maybe if you start swearing at me I'll go away... maybe... hahahahaha
No, stay as long as you're prepared to discuss your beliefs. It's very interesting and well, after adding up all the put downs, I can safely conclude that yours outnumber everyone elses so don't be confused it there's tit for tat. What if we use the swear words in the King James bible? Pisseth and bastards - hehe.
So yes, don't go away, stay and 'fellowship' with us here and bring some more scriptures to look at, but if you're gonna make like a pigeon that continually craps on the chess board you can eventually 'pisseth' off thank you very much.
(Pigeon quote: No matter how well you set up the rules the Reivalist will fly in knock over all the pieces, cluck a great deal, crap all over the board, and fly off claiming victory.)
Regards
(Message edited by MothandRust On 15/03/2008 05:26:05)
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“The mystery of the beginning of all things is insoluble by us; and I for one must be content to remain an agnostic” - Darwin
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Didaktikon
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Reply To MothandRust
(Date Posted:15/03/2008 06:00:30)
Hi, Pete.No, he said you 'present yourself' as a twit. I used to present myself as Santa Claus in Myers by my appearance. We recognise the twittyness because most of us spent many years in Revival and remember what life was like wearing the 'blinkers'. You may not be an actual twit, but your 'presentation' thus far speaks for itself. Ignoring the actual Greek text is, in itself, fairly stupid. Not to say you are stupid... get the distinction?There's a saying that gets trotted around (tongue-in-cheek) by biblical scholars from time-to-time: "... if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then clearly it's a camel pretending to be a duck!" Somehow I don't think 'MM' is actually pretending, if you catch my drift
Blessings,
Ian
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