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Im_out
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Reply To Disciple
(Date Posted:19/04/2009 00:06:39)
Reply to Disciple (18/04/2009 16:01:10)
Reply to outaegypt (18/04/2009 07:54:11)
Reply to Im_out (17/04/2009 23:47:22)
Maybe if RCI aknowledged the existence of Demons there wouldn't be so many demonic influences in the place. .. messengers of Satan preaching a false gospel !!! blessings
Eric
(Message edited by Im_out On 19/04/2009 05:32:40)
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D-T-M
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RE:Simon Says
(Date Posted:20/04/2009 22:14:13)
Minor whinge - this thread is getting off topic.
Sunday 19 April 2009 - Mrs Mole reported:
Simon still AWOL (Port Moresby was mentioned) and Beggsy was at the helm.
Nothing much of significance other than both "testimonies" claimed miracle healing.
Keep up your prayers.
Mole
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Reply To D%2DT%2DM
(Date Posted:21/04/2009 05:09:47)
Reply to D-T-M (20/04/2009 22:14:13)
Minor whinge - this thread is getting off topic.
Sunday 19 April 2009 - Mrs Mole reported:
Simon still AWOL (Port Moresby was mentioned) and Beggsy was at the helm.
Nothing much of significance other than both "testimonies" claimed miracle healing.
Keep up your prayers.
Mole He must be on the Damage control Tour, I have heard of at least one other touring around visiting the smaller assemblies, I also know of some Pastors that were starting to think for themselves and see the truth with whats going on, but then they get a visit from Simon and suddenly feel loved again (Bless their hearts) and there own little thought processes and glimpses of their little personality's shining through fall back to tow the company line. Any news on what CAGD reported on about the Apostles Doctrine being subtly introduced anyone ??
(Message edited by Im_out On 21/04/2009 05:40:37)
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Didaktikon
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Reply To Im%5Fout
(Date Posted:21/04/2009 05:58:34)
'Evening all.
I wish people would stop referring to the yet-to-be-confirmed RCI "let's ditch the Bible for preaching" approach to things as the Apostles' Doctrine, given that it's nothing of the sort.
Blessings,
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RE:Simon Says
(Date Posted:22/04/2009 21:16:08)
Simon didn't say it but The Mole understands that the Adelaide Assembly lacks a Pastor and supply preaching is being provided from Melbourne on a fly in fly out basis.
The Mole assumes that prospective candidates for the vacancy are being subjected to rigorous background checks to ensure that they are not involved in the property development business!
Mole
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RE:Simon Says
(Date Posted:03/05/2009 17:26:15)
3 May 2009. The whisper going around the Box Hill assembly is that Simon has received a death threat and the wallopers have been advised.
Mole
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outaegypt
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Reply To D%2DT%2DM
(Date Posted:06/05/2009 04:09:28)
Reply to D-T-M (03/05/2009 17:26:15)
3 May 2009. The whisper going around the Box Hill assembly is that Simon has received a death threat and the wallopers have been advised.
Mole Have you heard if it was in association to anything Duker connected?
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Allegation big and small,
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Re:Simon Says
(Date Posted:07/05/2009 19:58:50)
Outaegypt wrote: Mole Have you heard if it was in association to anything Duker connected? --------------------------------------------------------------
As I hear it, I'll repeat it,
Its up to you if you believe it!
Allegation big and small,
soon revealed before us all.
outa here- Outa Egypt! Outa Not specifically mentioned but that would have to be high on the list!
Mole
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cultevasion
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Re:Simon Says
(Date Posted:08/05/2009 05:25:39)
When will Simon be held accountable for his part in the Duker rip off scheme?
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RE:Simon Says
(Date Posted:10/05/2009 23:17:37)
Sunday 10 May 2009. It is alleged that Simon was demoted to leading the choruses and Pr Hume gave the homily. It is further alleged that next Sunday there will be a "Uber Meeting" for the three Melbourne assemblies.
The meeting will be "slightly" longer than usual and there will not be a second meeting. The faithful are urged to bring their picnic baskets and fellowship till late.
The Mole's tip is that the punters who usually lash after the first meeting will continue to do so next week and if there is no second meeting to hang around for the numbers of those staying for fellowship will not be great.
Mole
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D-T-M
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RE:Simon Says
(Date Posted:18/05/2009 17:21:59)
On 15 May 2009 Simon is alleged to have said that 2009 may be the last time that Convention will be held at the World Trade Centre because the building has been sold.
The Mole speculates that falling tithes due in part to the world economic crisis and fewer bums on seats may also be a contributing factor.
If a recent bankrupt had been tithing based on his alleged income level his contribution will be sorely missed.
Mole
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RE:Simon Says
(Date Posted:19/05/2009 20:31:17)
Wow this forum has such negativity about it... You seem to be able to pick all the flaws with, well, everything! Pastor Simon is an inspiration and has so much to give. If all you look for is flaws, what do you think you're going to find? Whats the real reason behind this topic? We all know that no one is perfect so why don't you look for some of the good in what "simon says??"
The feeling I get from this forum is one of bitterness and anger, its sad really...
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Didaktikon
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Reply To Jimmi%5FJack
(Date Posted:19/05/2009 21:04:06)
Good afternoon, JJ.
Perhaps it's simply the case that some people have found the scion of the Longfield family to be much less of an 'inspiration' than has been your experience, and that what they're seeking is a little more in the way of transparency, accountability and honesty from him than has apparently been forthcoming to date?
Blessings,
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tommo
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Re:Simon Says
(Date Posted:19/05/2009 22:41:54)
JimiJack
Explain in a few sentences why Simon Longfield is inspirational. He inherited the business from his old man and has spent the last X number of years dwindling down the numbers. Surely, even by the bizarre standards to which RCI cling, this is not inspiring.
As you are obviously an RCI member you might be able to explain to me how you can defend/explain the following:
1. Abused women being instructed to go back to their abusive husbands (I could but won't name names)
2. The failure rate of RCI imposed shotgun marriages
3. The massive number of unsavoury sexual goings on between members (names withheld)
4. The oversight's infatuation with the sexual proclivities of the youth
5. The adherence to the tongues = salvation bolony in spite of overwhelming scriptural evidence to the contrary
6. The blind eye turning on the Duker issue
I could go on all day, but it bores me to even think about it all..... bitter you say, hardly... ask yourself this, why are trolling the internet looking for people talking about your church?
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Re:Simon Says
(Date Posted:20/05/2009 11:35:24)
Hey Jimmi_Jack,
Hard to take when the boot's on the other foot is it? RCI should be able to take as much as they give - and they've given plenty - never being backward in their ridicule and criticism of other churches/church leaders. Just consider how badly the Pope's fared at the hands of RCI pastors over the years where numerous entire meetings have solely dealt with the Pope as the beast (666) of Revelation and the Catholic Church as the antichrist.
Unlike the profound ignorance of many Revivalist pastors in their criticisms of other religious groups, the discussions here are from people who have experienced Revivalism and have knowledge of what they're talking about.
We do all know that no-one is perfect. The best way to improve is by admitting our faults - something Revivalist pastors seem to have some difficulty in doing.
God Bless
Epi
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Re:Simon Says
(Date Posted:29/05/2009 00:00:56)
The tide of criticism towards other churches and their leaders has finally turned within. Many Pastors and members are questioning their own Pastors honesty, ethics and acceptance of ungodly attitudes and behaviours which have clearly been allowed to grow and fester within the church under Simon's protection. They are not satisfied or convinced with the honesty of the answers and explanations they are receiving. It has been said if you are going to divert from the truth you have to: firstly be smarter than those you are trying to fool, secondly have a very good long memory and thirdly be sure nothing or no one exists to prove your version of events false.
The misplaced Loyalty towards Lloyd has tolerated and overlooked a multitude of sins, in the perverted hope that Simon may have grown to somehow fill his fathers shoes, but it is past the point where that card has been overplayed and will no longer be tolerated to protect Simon.
People are thinking, questioning and leaving.
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tommo
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Re:Simon Says
(Date Posted:29/05/2009 17:58:23)
Really? I havent heard of that many people leaving. Fact is - people talk, but most RCI-ers arent going anywhere, they will overlook the rampant nepotism and corruption because they find the four walls of revivalism safe and sound (we are right and they are wrong is a great platform for people with self esteem issues). Whilst we would all like to see the place disintergrate I dont see it happening anytime soon, its been going on for years.
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RE:Simon Says
(Date Posted:29/05/2009 18:17:14)
I tend to agree with Tommo. Revivalists are nicely cocooned with their miracles and don't have to face the hard stuff like social justice issues and the Mathew 25 verses 31 to about 41 or so stuff. (We leave that sort of thing to the Salvos and St Vinnies, all we have to do to be saved is to "pray in tongues")
In the main stream Christian Churches these matters are addressed from the pulpits but whether the punters take them up or not is of course a different matter.
Mole
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RE:Simon Says
(Date Posted:01/06/2009 03:03:16)
On 31 May 2009 Simon is alleged to have said:
This is the last time that Melbourne Convention will be held at the World Trade Centre.
The place is being redeveloped and the current hire charge for the weekend is $30,000.
There will be less emphasis on the missions for the rest of this year and more emphasis on local operations.
The Mole repeats his previous assumption that tithes must be quite a bit down.
Mole
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tommo
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Re:Simon Says
(Date Posted:01/06/2009 19:51:21)
$30 000, Simon would have that in the ashtray of his car. The Forum theatre sold in 1995 at an "RCI" published price of 5 million... the Regent theatre (on collins st) sold 12 months later for a publicly announced price of 15 million.. either Lloyd got striped badly or there is something amiss..
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Re:Simon Says
(Date Posted:01/06/2009 21:26:33)
Tommo
Perhaps you've got a good insight into their balance sheet, but there's a difference between fixed and liquid assets. Besides, would the attendance figures be adequately catered for in their existing halls, and thus also avoid the setup hassles? It seems like a perfectly reasonable, perhaps overdue decision from where I sit.
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Re:Simon Says
(Date Posted:01/06/2009 21:45:11)
Hi Talmid,
I was using D-T-M's post as a springboard to get stuck into the apparent misappropriation of funds and to raise the Forum Theatre sale as a discussion point rather than dealing with specifics of where they hold "convention". I agree, it is folly to continue hiring the WTC with the RCI's dwindling numbers.
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Re:Simon Says
(Date Posted:01/06/2009 23:44:58)
Yo Tommo
OK. Personally I don't think anyone should make a judgement that funds have been 'apparently' anything without access to the books since (as far as I'm aware) outsiders have no accurate idea of income (eg forget tithes, what about estates that may have been gifted or property rentals) or expenses (eg what support has been offered from Melbourne to other RCI's).
Such a lack of public accountability is of course lamentable and dangerous for all involved, even though trusts do (I believe) provide a certain level of security.
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RE:Simon Says
(Date Posted:01/06/2009 23:48:53)
Convention numbers.
Mrs Mole overheard a pastor's wife speculating on the size of the Queensland contingent and whether there would be one at all.
Mole
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RE:Simon Says
(Date Posted:01/06/2009 23:58:20)
Talmid wrote
OK. Personally I don't think anyone should make a judgement that funds have been 'apparently' anything without access to the books since (as far as I'm aware) outsiders have no accurate idea of income (eg forget tithes, what about estates that may have been gifted or property rentals)
or expenses (eg what support has been offered from Melbourne to other RCI's).
I don't think that other RCIs have particularly large memberships so there should not be much forthcoming from that area.
Such a lack of public accountability is of course lamentable and dangerous for all involved, even though trusts do (I believe) provide a certain level of security. For whom?
If anyone has the ability to perform a property search say starting in Victoria I would be looking at the Simon Longfield Family Trust for starters.
Mole
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Re:Simon Says
(Date Posted:02/06/2009 01:12:47)
Convention numbers. "Mrs Mole overheard a pastor's wife speculating on the size of the Queensland contingent and whether there would be one at all." Mole With Victoria being Swine Flu capital of Australia, and all the flooding up north Id say folk have better things to do and more personal issues to deal with then come down here, and then only to risk returning sick.
I’ve already had the Ambos out once with a suspected Swine flu case with one of my kids, fortunately it was a false alarm, but one is very much taking this issue seriously down here and not taking any chances at all.
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Re:Simon Says
(Date Posted:02/06/2009 08:07:16)
$30 000, Simon would have that in the ashtray of his car.
Good then he should be able to pay back funds borrowed from an Assembly that he never paid back, instead justifying a non accountable donation to the mission fund.
I don't think anyone should make a judgement that funds have been 'apparently' anything without access to the books
Well thats just the thing, there are no books to access. Requests have been made, now all of a sudden there is no more mission fund, how convenient.
There will be less emphasis on the missions for the rest of this year and more emphasis on local operations. And for good reason, now it has been questioned and it is a non existent black hole in the hands of BFF samoilenko -so of course we dont want any one to focus on that. Duh!
Really? I havent heard of that many people leaving. Fact is - people talk, but most RCI-ers arent going anywhere.
Yes, really. Agreed most RCIers might not be going anywhere but there are a lot that have and more to follow. Most people only know what directly effects them and are unaware of anything else.
People will only know what Simon wants them to know, unless their brain is actively engaged and questioning and reasoning the facts...fact is RCI isnt what it use to be- now it's worse and even further away from Godliness. Leadership of arrogance and lies.. The shifting of emphasis and diverting people from the truth is evident in his support of the Dukers. Without the Media attention how many of us would have had any idea that was going on and that so many Pastors were involved and had knowledge.
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As I hear it, I'll repeat it,
Its up to you if you believe it!
Allegation big and small,
soon revealed before us all.
outa here- Outa Egypt!
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RE:Simon Says
(Date Posted:21/06/2009 17:20:55)
On 21 June 2009 Simon is alleged to have said that he had booked the Melbourne Town Hall as a venue for Convention for the next three years.
He said that it was cheaper than the previous venue.
Mole
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Re:Simon Says
(Date Posted:27/06/2009 06:03:50)
and ......................... this is ground breaking earth shatteringly important because........................... ahh yes because you didnt have anything else to bring to the table guess mrs mole was snoozing during meeting that day ahahahaha get a life sheesh
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