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RE:Simon Says
(Date Posted:07/10/2008 00:20:19)
Tommo,
I never look on anyone as a dim wit. My beliefs are definitely not misguided. I have searched, examined, tested and tried with a humble and contrite spirit. Jesus has redeemed me, God's word guides me and the person of the Holy Spirit counsels me and leads me on.
God Bless.
Epi
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RE:Simon Says
(Date Posted:07/10/2008 17:22:53)
Epi,
You have taken my prodding and jousting in good spirit, you seem like a very decent guy.. I wonder if our paths ever crossed?? BUT:
1. I preferred the retaliatory response (although directed at the wrong poster) it was far more human than the watered down admission of a mistake/apology which smacked of "ooops time to behave in a more christian manner" 2. If someone IS a dim-wit then it's ok to think that, again you are allowed to be human. 3. How do you know God's word guides you?
yours, in the spirit of robust debate, Tommo.
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RE:Simon Says
(Date Posted:07/10/2008 20:28:08)
Reply to tommo,
Yes tommo, looking back at the posts I did get the wrong poster. I was preoccupied with something else yesterday and shouldn't have been on here.
How does God's word guide? Well, try reading God's word with an empty bucket, so to speak, and wait for it to be filled.
God Bless
ps Wonder if our paths ever crossed? Hmmm that's interesting.
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RE:Simon Says
(Date Posted:07/10/2008 22:21:32)
Epi, thats a slippery answer. I asked how YOU know God's word guides YOU. Not how I can find out.
Did you ever attend a Moruya young peoples camp? ugh, cold shiver.
Tommo
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RE:Simon Says
(Date Posted:17/11/2008 18:37:38)
On a recent junket to the Malawi outmost which Simon may have had to forego due to a prior engagement in the Court it was reported that baptisms were being performed three at a time due to the large numbers of candidates.
Melbourne Management is trying to overcome one of the local mores which holds that Local Management should be of mature age/senior citizens because they are deemed to be wiser and more worthy of respect that the young turks and in fact get some of the local young turks in as pastors which of course I am sure is the case back in Melbourne!
In India where an existing fundamentalist church converted to RCI (foolish people) the recruitment is claimed to be enormous.
Just thought it was time for an update.
The Mole
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RE:Simon Says
(Date Posted:27/11/2008 04:10:03)
Last Sunday was the Box Hill Market aka the church fete when you are not having a church fete.
The sausage sizzle was run by RCI and the rest seemed to be external stall holders of the type that you see at most markets.
The weather was fairly ordinary and consequently the passing trade was non-existent.
Even the faithful did not seem to turn up until about 1PM, coincidentally the usual time for the first service.
A number of the stallholders that I spoke to were not happy about the lack of customers although the current economic climate must have had something to do with it.
The first service was scheduled for 2.30PM and the usual chants and testimonies started on time. It appears to the Mole that this is an optional part of the performance judging by the number of people that drifted in during the half hour.
I noted that in his testimony Pr Geoff Beggs referred to speaking in "other languages"
Simon was the main celebrant and he referred to "tongues" several times in his homily.
There were no baptisms and judging by the turnout at the fete/market no visitors at the service.
We may not see this function next year.
The Mole
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Re:Simon Says
(Date Posted:02/12/2008 19:48:14)
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Reply To D%2DT%2DM
(Date Posted:02/12/2008 21:40:52)
Moleskie,
Given that the RCI has a long-standing institutional culture of keeping non-Revivalists at "arms length", it's hardly surprising that their recent forays into "public engagement" have been less than successful. Mr and Mrs Average Australian aren't completely stupid; they are usually quite adept at recognising insincerity.
God bless,
Ian
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Reply To youd%5Fnever%5Fguess
(Date Posted:03/12/2008 06:48:46)
Reply to youd_never_guess (02/12/2008 19:48:14) I have no doubt Simon is trying to distance himself almost as "head figure" of RCI due to the soon comming court proccedings. which begs to ask the question "how far with this go"
Please keep us updated in the GD affair as there are many folk here showing a lot of interest in the proccedings. There are 2 separate issues that are likely to be pursued. The Creditors will continue the court action to recover defrauded funds from those responsible. Findings will determine prosecution in respect to criminal charges against the Directors of RVP.
It is a little late to attempt distancing oneself, how is the scoffing and support sprouted at the Rally last year retracted? Trivializing such deplorable acts shows the corruptness, the reaction should have been outrage, but yet one Director is still a Pastor and the others responsible are still in Fellowship!
Classic example of Preferring the wicked over the just.
The other possible action would relate to the possible involvement of the Senior Pastors that represented the church, the validity of accounts and testimonies given at the examinations. Those that may have perjured themselves should be prosecuted. Profits before people, Duty of care, amongst other issues are all possible summations that appear to be plausible.
Until the full truth is revealed and people are held accountable for their actions. It will be pursued to the full extent of the law.
It's about time the 'sheep-coats' were removed.
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Its up to you if you believe it!
Allegation big and small,
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outa here- Outa Egypt!
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RE:Simon Says
(Date Posted:22/02/2009 16:21:27)
Subject to verification by TEEEEJ Mrs Mole reports that on 22 Feb 2009 Simon said that they had baptised a number of persons at Gosford who were of Chinese origin.
The newly baptised advised that they knew of an "underground" christian church in China that met in a private home that was situated on the 13th floor of an apartment block but they didn't call it the 13th floor, it being described as level S. FWIW.
The punch line of course being the potential for baptising millions of the heathen Chinese.
Is this substantially correct TEEEJ?
Mole
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Re:Simon Says
(Date Posted:22/02/2009 17:53:02)
All,
PLEASE be aware of SECURITY PROTOCOLS when discussing ANY overseas missionary work details.
YOU COULD PUT THESE PEOPLES LIVES AT RISK.
NEVER mention names, locations or any other information that internet trawlers can access and identify any missionary works.
GOD HELP these people if RCI do not use strict and proper protocol with underground churches.
DTM - you have already given out TMI on this, TEEEJ, please be aware.
For the record - these underground churches would be far better off if RCI stayed AWAY from them.
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RE:Simon Says
(Date Posted:04/03/2009 15:28:06)
On 4 March 2009 at Lloyd's 90th birthday bash Simon said or is alleged to have said (paraphrased by Mole from information provided by Mrs Mole) that in all 321 assemblies "the people that run the finance do not appoint the pastors so the doctrine cannot be compromised by any one assembly who may wish to appoint a more compliant pastor in certain areas of doctrine that that particular assembly wishes to change.
He also made some reference to trustees which Mrs Mole did not elaborate on.
The Mole always understood that the person who runs the finance at Box Hill also appoints the pastors but is willing to be corrected on this matter.
Simon also is alleged to have said that there are pastors in the PNG assemblies who used to be witch doctors.
The Mole could comment on this one but will leave it to others to do so.
Mole
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Reply To D%2DT%2DM
(Date Posted:04/03/2009 18:09:51)
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RE:Simon Says
(Date Posted:22/03/2009 15:45:27)
On 22 March 2009 Mrs Mole reports that Simon is alleged to have said:
Last Monday morning he spent an hour on the phone talking to "that reporter" who included nothing that Simon told him in the segment. Simon said that it was not convenient to talk at the time as he was trying to prepare his talk for a funeral that day. (The Mole understands that the funeral took place at 11AM)
Simon then said that the Duker affair had nothing to do with RCI and was a matter between him (Duker) and his God.
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Reply To D%2DT%2DM
(Date Posted:22/03/2009 16:51:05)
Reply to D-T-M (22/03/2009 15:45:27) On 22 March 2009 Mrs Mole reports that Simon is alleged to have said:
Last Monday morning he spent an hour on the phone talking to "that reporter" who included nothing that Simon told him in the segment. Simon said that it was not convenient to talk at the time as he was trying to prepare his talk for a funeral that day. (The Mole understands that the funeral took place at 11AM)
Simon then said that the Duker affair had nothing to do with RCI and was a matter between him (Duker) and his God.
Mole
Simon then said that the Duker affair had nothing to do with RCI and was a matter between him (Duker) and his God.
And we will all soon find out !! blessings ..
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Re:Simon Says
(Date Posted:31/03/2009 08:28:35)
Just wondering if word is filtering out to the general people in RCI about the New Doctrine that is now official to RCI? Some Pastors have been informed but most are in the Dark. Simon will be attending Sawtell Easter Camp 09 to Introduce the New Doctrine as a United front of all Assemblies in agreement. It is being named "The Sawtell Sell". "The Sawtell Swindle" maybe more appropriate The Apostles doctrine has been mentioned before, from what I am told, The bible is obsolete for todays preaching. You should preach from the heart, scripture is not necessary you should feel lead. You may remember this was Victor Samoilenko's wagon that he has pushed and pushed, well now His mate Simon is on board, it's all steam ahead....I imagine into oblivion or damnation, defiantly downward not upward!. From those assemblies that have been informed there is already whispers of Jumping a sinking uncaptained ship.
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RE:Simon Says
(Date Posted:31/03/2009 14:31:50)
You are not a day early are you CAGD?
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Re:Simon Says
(Date Posted:31/03/2009 14:47:40)
"You should preach from the heart, scripture is not necessary you should feel lead."
I can go with that, I was annoyed with all the rubbish hypocrisy, etc etc etc, X 1000 so I prayed sincerely and the Lord led me OUT. We have never ever been happier but I regret saying as long as I did, as DR Phil says, "whats worse then being in a bad relationship (in this case the relationship between oneself and the church, not God "there is a difference !!") is being in it one day longer that you have to be.
After reading the above, if that doesn't make folk wake up, what will ??????? RCIers there is a life to had outside, I know so many including ourselves who have and many on this site who have
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Re:Simon Says
(Date Posted:31/03/2009 15:37:45)
Oh another question if "this preaching from the heart" is OK ,
and "The bible is obsolete for today's preaching" does this mean that
A) The scriptures that supposedly supported the Morals policy and all the controlling rules and regulations ,(oops sorry I mean GUIDELINES) are no longer relevant ??
B) If your heart tells you to let someone back into fellowship who has breached the Fornication or in fact any silly dogmatic authoritarian controlling policy, that's OK can they return??
If that's the case and if they are to move forward in this direction does that mean all the folk who have slipped up can then come back and the policy made obsolete???
Or as they said in 95, "From this point forward" this will happen, so does that mean from "this point forward all those who give in to temptation are OK to stay in fellowship"?? but meanwhile they have destroyed and torn apart many many many families because of this fabricated policy which we know was politically based rather than scriptually. The other question is because your heart determines the Pastors direction will they then discriminate between cases??? I'm sure it will be one rule for oversight and one for the plebs as has been the case in the GD affair, remember folk were put out for attending Amway meetings, not more that 20 years ago, my how things have changed.
You could go on for ever bringing up possibilities, and more hypocritical judgements but Ill stop there.
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Reply to CAGD
(Date Posted:31/03/2009 17:34:52)
Hi CAGD
1) If you're talking about a Victorian location, "Sawtell" is almost certainly a typo.
2) As you present it, and disturbing as it is, the "new doctrine" could simply refer to preaching style ie dropping the RCI traditional approach of finding some passages which are then prooftexted to support a pov. It might *not* mean they're no longer claiming it is important for doctrine to be grounded in the bible. Perhaps you have other information?
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Re:Simon Says
(Date Posted:31/03/2009 18:47:33)
1) If you're talking about a Victorian location, "Sawtell" is almost certainly a typo. Hi Talmid,
Sawtell is up North, Northern New South Wales near Coffs Harbour.
I have put my prior comment re: the apostles Doctrine in the manner that I have had it repeated by a number of sources so that is the 'gist ' of how it is being perceived and relayed. I am hoping to get some more factual clarification, to further expound in detail, but these things take time to filter through and I'm told it is not openly being discussed. There is a movement of quietly gathering support from particular hand picked well positioned Pastors, to gain an advantage position as there are and will be opposers.
The Duker affair has also made a schism, clearly being supported by those willing to overlook scripture and be lead by their hearts. The Heart of man is desperately wicked.
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Reply To Talmid
(Date Posted:31/03/2009 18:56:33)
Hi, Talmid, et al.
Hey! Why not cut loose any and all pretense of biblical support underpinning Revivalist preaching? After all, there have been a few of us who've adequately demonstrated over the years, that none exists anyway! 
Blessings,
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Reply To Im%5Fout
(Date Posted:31/03/2009 20:35:48)
the controlling rules and regulations ,(oops sorry I mean GUIDELINES) are no longer relevant ??
politically based rather than scriptually. The other question is because your heart determines the Pastors direction will they then discriminate between cases??? I'm sure it will be one rule for oversight and one for the plebs. Simon Longfields own 'out of fellowship' son, socializes with RCI Youngies. The point was addressed directly to Simon as inappropriate and the Please Explain????
Apparently not! Simon's has said he is allowed to socialize with the youngies because it's different!
This is meant in no disparagement or criticism to the boy, I certainly don't begrudge him the company of friends regardless of their 'institutional inclination'. I have no idea why he is not in fellowship, the reason is irrelevant. It certainly is yet another contradiction to what RCI have always said and done, yet further confirmation of different rules for different fools.
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As I hear it, I'll repeat it,
Its up to you if you believe it!
Allegation big and small,
soon revealed before us all.
outa here- Outa Egypt!
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Reply To outaegypt
(Date Posted:31/03/2009 21:36:53)
Reply to outaegypt (31/03/2009 20:35:48)
the controlling rules and regulations ,(oops sorry I mean GUIDELINES) are no longer relevant ??
politically based rather than scriptually. The other question is because your heart determines the Pastors direction will they then discriminate between cases??? I'm sure it will be one rule for oversight and one for the plebs.
Simon Longfields own 'out of fellowship' son, socializes with RCI Youngies.
The point was addressed directly to Simon as inappropriate and the Please Explain????
Apparently not! Simon's has said he is allowed to socialize with the youngies ;because it's different!
I have also heard of members, wifes (related to the Longfield clan and Dynasty of cause.) mixing with Former out of fellowship RCI Pastors and their wife's, There really are two sets of rules, its sad.
(Message edited by Im_out On 31/03/2009 21:37:32)
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Re:Simon Says
(Date Posted:01/04/2009 15:39:20)
What I don't understand about the possible adoption of the Apostles Doctrine is why if Simon is still the main man he would be making the great announcement at Sawtooth or wherever instead of at the Melbourne Convention.
Mole
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RE:Simon Says
(Date Posted:01/04/2009 15:46:50)
"Some pigs are more equal than others" Possibly misquoting George Orwell but I think its great the Simon's son who is "out of fellowship" )which I assume means that he does not bother to front up on Sundays and attend house meetings) is still able to socialise with the 'youngies" Hopefully he will be able to "witness" to some of them thus increasing the "out of fellowship" component.
Mole
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RE:Simon Says
(Date Posted:01/04/2009 15:54:23)
What Simon didn't say (or cause to be written)
The local area newspaper has a half page of advertisements from the mainstream denominations including the Salvos (great bunch the Salvos) announcing the times of the Easter services.
Most have Maundy Thursday, Good Friday and Ressurection Sunday services on offer and the Micks are throwing one in on Saturday night as well.
No mention of Revival Centre International or any other Pentecostal group for that matter.
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Re:Simon Says
(Date Posted:01/04/2009 17:23:03)
""No mention of Revival Centre International or any other Pentecostal group for that matter."
Your probably find the AOG's are running a Friday morning service DTM if you wish to attend *grin* :) Ours is, I can Pm you the details if you wish to slip in, for an enjoyable happy time of worship with genuinely caring folk who shy away from back stabbing and gossiping about each others problems and difficulties and who are led by loving and real compassionate Shepard’s, caring for the flock, I assure you your privacy and ID will totally safe and guarded, :) (Sorry I know you wont I’m just stirring but also hoping, at least you have received one genuine invite *grin*)
Because of most not only AOGs but other places of worship that folk on this site attend. are so involved and respected in the local community "unlike your current place of worship", there is not much need for expensive advertising, as most folk know of them.
I mean why would RCI open the doors so readily to the heathen, and have a "social conscience" (God forbid) and be involved, I’m sure they did them selves proud in their involvement in Black Saturday !!!!
THE CHURCH THAT CARES”
To use one of Ian’s theological ecumenical phases that I actually once understood
"BOLLOCKS" :)
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Reply To D%2DT%2DM
(Date Posted:02/04/2009 05:07:42)
Hi, Mole.
What Simon and Vic are apparently proposing can't properly be thought of as "Apostles' Doctrine". What it is, however, is an attempted "work-around" (as in, work around the fact that Scripture doesn't support their multiplied heresies).
Blessings,
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Simon Says: The Apostles Doctorine - Papal Infallability all over again!
(Date Posted:02/04/2009 16:04:21)
All this talk about the new "official" Apostles Doctrine! It seems to have so much in common with papal infallibility. It seems that Pope Simon Peter Longfield can now speak "Ex-Cathedra" on matters! Also there seems to have been a "Lumen Gentium" of some sort at Sawtell. Well if it is good enough for the Roman Catholics, why not RCI? Pope Simon Peter Longfield can even use the following scriptures as does the other pontiff to support his Ex-Cathedra apostles doctrine: Supporters of the church doctrine claim that their position is
historically traceable to Scripture, specifically the following
passages:
- John 1:42, Mark 3:16 ("And to Simon he gave the name "Peter", "Cephas", or "Rock")
- Matthew 16:18 ("thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it"; cf. Matthew 7:24-28, (the house built on rock)
- John 21:15-17 ("Feed my lambs."/"Feed my sheep.") (stated three times)
- Luke 10:16
("He that heareth you, heareth me; and he that despiseth you, despiseth
me; and he that despiseth me, despiseth him that sent me.")
- Luke 22:31-32 ("confirm thy brethren")
- Acts 15:28 ("For it hath seemed good to the Holy Ghost and to us, ...") ("the Apostles speak with voice of Holy Ghost")
- Matthew 10:2 ("And the names of the twelve apostles are these: The first, Simon who is called Peter,...") (Peter is first.)
- Matthew 16:19
("whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you
loose on earth will be lost in heaven") (Also used to defend the
sacrament of Confession)
- Ludwig Ott points out the many indications in Scripture that Peter was given a primary role with respect to the other Apostles: Mark 5:37, Matthew 17:1, Matthew 26:37, Luke 5:3, Matthew 17:27, Luke 22:32, Luke 24:34, and 1 Corinthians 15:5 (Fund., Bk. IV, Pt. 2, Ch. 2, §5).
But be aware that the reformed churches have put this away hundreds of years ago: Anglican churches
The Church of England and its sister churches in the Anglican Communion, having seceded from the Roman Church centuries ago, reject papal infallibility, a rejection given expression in the Thirty-Nine Articles of Religion (1571):
- XIX. Of the Church. The visible Church of Christ is a
congregation of faithful men, in which the pure Word of God is
preached, and the Sacraments be duly ministered according to Christ's
ordinance, in all those things that of necessity are requisite to the
same. As the Church of Jerusalem, Alexandria, and Antioch, have erred,
so also the Church of Rome hath erred, not only in their living and
manner of Ceremonies, but also in matters of Faith.
- XXI. Of the Authority of General Councils. General Councils may
not be gathered together without the commandment and will of Princes.
And when they be gathered together, (forasmuch as they be an assembly
of men, whereof all be not governed with the Spirit and Word of God,)
they may err, and sometimes have erred, even in things pertaining unto
God. Wherefore things ordained by them as necessary to salvation have
neither strength nor authority, unless it may be declared that they be
taken out of holy Scripture.
Methodism
John Wesley amended the Anglican Articles of Religion for use by Methodists, particularly those in America. The Methodist Articles
omit the express provisions in the Anglican articles concerning the
errors of the Church of Rome and the authority of councils, but retain
Article V which implicitly pertains to the Roman Catholic idea of papal
authority as capable of defining articles of faith:
- V. Of the Sufficiency of the Holy Scriptures for Salvation. The
Holy Scripture containeth all things necessary to salvation; so that
whatsoever is not read therein, nor may be proved thereby, is not to be
required of any man that it should be believed as an article of faith,
or be thought requisite or necessary to salvation...
Reformed churches
Presbyterian and Reformed churches also reject papal infallibility. The Westminster Confession of Faith [6] which was intended in 1646 to replace the Thirty-Nine Articles, contains the following:
- (Chapter one) IX. The infallible rule of interpretation of
Scripture is the Scripture itself: and therefore, when there is a
question about the true and full sense of any Scripture (which is not
manifold, but one), it must be searched and known by other places that
speak more clearly.
- (Chapter one) X. The supreme judge by which all controversies of
religion are to be determined, and all decrees of councils, opinions of
ancient writers, doctrines of men, and private spirits, are to be
examined, and in whose sentence we are to rest, can be no other but the
Holy Spirit speaking in the Scripture.
- (Chapter Twenty-Five) VI. There is no other head of the Church
but the Lord Jesus Christ. Nor can the Pope of Rome, in any sense, be
head thereof; but is that Antichrist, that man of sin, and son of
perdition, that exalts himself, in the Church, against Christ and all
that is called God.
In Short - this happenned 500 years ago already, it is nothing new at all. For those still in RCI - Do you support the "Apostles Doctrine"? Regards Mr Klms
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RE:Simon Says
(Date Posted:02/04/2009 16:21:15)
Papal infallibility.
A lot of Catholic priests and laity ( The Mole included ) do not support the Papal infalibility doctrine.
Still there is nowhere else that The Mole would rather be next Thursday Friday, Saturday and Sunday.
Mole
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Reply to DTM
(Date Posted:02/04/2009 16:51:11)
Hello Mole,
As an Anglican - and therefore Catholic also - I would much rather be at the Catholic Easter services than RCI too. :)
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Reply to CAGD
(Date Posted:02/04/2009 17:47:04)
Thks for the correction.
On reflection, as those in leadership positions undergo generational change, the leaders will lack the unconscious imbibing of Christian theology by their Rev forefathers in their pre-Rev churches. Or to put it more simply, those of LRL's era will have accepted certain aspects of theology b/c they were taught them in the churches of their childhood, but their offspring won't even have that to counter the Rev heresies and and act as part of their grid for interpreting the bible and "christianity". Thus, excepting of course the influence of the Spirit, I can now see the new generation of leaders are likely to come up with stuff even more whacky than the organisations' founders. Combine that with the arrogance and ignorance of some of them, dropping scripture as "their rule of faith" is plausisble (and has historical precedent with other groups). I wouldn't be surprised to even see dropping of things such as their (nominal) affirmng of God being triune (and yes I do recall "that" interview with LRL).
Let's hope that those "dissenters" you mention find what's needed to move to biblical orthodoxy. I'm too cynical to hope that the organisations' leaders will find what's needed to move that way, but I'd love to be proven wrong.
(Message edited by Talmid On 03/04/2009 15:04:58)
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outaegypt
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Reply To Didaktikon
(Date Posted:02/04/2009 19:34:00)
Reply to Didaktikon (02/04/2009 05:07:42)
Hi, Mole.
What Simon and Vic are apparently proposing can't properly be thought of as "Apostles' Doctrine". What it is, however, is an attempted "work-around" (as in, work around the fact that Scripture doesn't support their multiplied heresies).
Blessings,
Ian
BIG AMEN TO THAT ONE!!!
Okay I have a small confession to make here...all be it slightly embarrassing one considering I have been posting here for quite awhile now.....I have just discovered how to use colour and enlarge print, and underline!!!
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spitchips
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Re:Simon Says
(Date Posted:02/04/2009 19:41:25)
Outa
Knock yourself out!!
Chips
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Im_out
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Re:Simon Says
(Date Posted:03/04/2009 07:20:52)
Hi Out maybe I shouldent tell you this then, if it will help but you can also type out every thing you want in WORD, do all you text editing, size, colours, font, spell check off- line, then open up this site, reduce it, then drag the mouse over your text in word Press the "Ctrl button" hold down while pressing "C" (short cut for copy) click on in this box press Ctrl V (short cut for paste) and presto all done.
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D-T-M
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RE:Simon Says
(Date Posted:05/04/2009 15:34:51)
They are gone!
Mrs Mole reports that on Sunday 5 April at the very end of the announcements PR Beggsy is alleged to have said:
and we have unanimously decided to put Glenn and Lorelei Duker out of fellowship and as mentioned elsewhere announced that Pastor Matt had been depastorised or whatever the technical term is.
Mole
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Reply To D%2DT%2DM
(Date Posted:05/04/2009 16:33:54)
Reply to D-T-M (05/04/2009 15:34:51)
They are gone!
Mrs Mole reports that on Sunday 5 April at the very end of the announcements PR Beggsy is alleged to have said:
and we have unanimously decided to put Glenn and Lorelei Duker out of fellowship and as mentioned elsewhere announced that Pastor Matt had been depastorised or whatever the technical term is.
Mole = damage control ... in other words, the RCI are denying any involvement with the Duker's whatsoever. It seems the RCI are really only trying to distance themselves from the affair altogether but with the mounting anti - RCI publicity now happening on a weekly basis, this has to be expected... but let's realize that this iniquity won't be "swept under the carpet" that easily. I suppose that both Simon and Victor would have hired their own legal representatives by now.. However let's stay tuned to our various media over the next few weeks... More is yet to happen..
Eric
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Didaktikon
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Reply To D%2DT%2DM
(Date Posted:05/04/2009 18:26:16)
Good morning, Mole.
I suppose one must now question the propriety of Simon Longfield's oft-repeated refrain of not wishing to pass judgment on the Duker's until "...the courts decide". That he has 'defrocked' the younger brother, and dismissed the elder, without awaiting such a verdict clearly implies that he recognises wrongdoing on their part. Why then does he refuse to publicly acknowledge as much?
It makes one think, does it not?
Blessings,
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D-T-M
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RE:Simon Says
(Date Posted:12/04/2009 16:15:57)
On Sunday 12 April Mrs Mole reports that "Pastor" Geoff Hume is alleged to have said words to the effect that whereas "Christendom" had been flat out over the last few days celebrating The Last Supper, The Crucifixion and the Resurrection we don't need any of that stuff.
When The Mole checked the meaning of Christendom his dictionary suggested Christians collectively or the Christian world.
Obviously Hume does not consider RCI to be a Christian organisation!
There was alleged to be a "testimony" claiming a miracle because the person giving the testimony had managed to flog the old RCI bus for $8,000 although the cost of having to deliver it to Broken Hill and return by public transport was not mentioned.
Mole
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Re:Simon Says
(Date Posted:12/04/2009 18:42:15)
From CAGD 116#
Simon will be attending Sawtell Easter Camp 09 to introduce the New Doctrine as a united front of all Assemblies in agreement. It is being named "The Sawtell Sell". "The Sawtell Swindle" maybe more appropriate
The Apostles doctrine has been mentioned before, from what I am told,
The bible is obsolete for today’s preaching.
You should preach from the heart, scripture is not necessary you should feel lead.
You may remember this was Victor Samoilenko's wagon that he has pushed and pushed,
well now His mate Simon is on board, it's all steam ahead....I imagine into oblivion or damnation, defiantly downward not upward!.
From those assemblies that have been informed there is already whispers of Jumping a sinking uncaptained ship.
Its that time
Has anyone reading this site attended the Coffs harbour Easter camp dare to give a report on what is apparently happening? Any one dare to write anonymously, you can hide all your details when you log in, nobody will ever find your ID on this site. You can even post, then select the "option to remove your Id but keep the post" so the post remains and Guest appears in place of your removed name.
Go on make a Stand !!
Mole 140#
"On Sunday 12 April Mrs Mole reports that "Pastor" Geoff Hume is alleged to have said words to the effect that whereas "Christendom" had been flat out over the last few days celebrating The Last Supper, The Crucifixion and the Resurrection we don't need any of that stuff.""
Sounds like the start of the slow introduction of the apostle’s doctrine if you ask me. Saying that. We don’t need any of that stuff
And what stuff would that be??, the “scriptural account of Christs death and resurrection, which allows an opportunity for folk because of there traditional values an ideologies come to a meeting for the second time this year, and then realise the importance of the lives we all live and the need to come to a full and better understanding of the things of the Lord.
Is that the stuff that folk don’t need, to know, I don’t know about you but it convicted me many years ago. (He says shaking his head in totally disbelief).
Or where you just preaching from your heart Geoff !!!!!
As Mole concludes brilliantly
When The Mole checked the meaning of Christendom his dictionary suggested Christians collectively or the Christian world.
Obviously Hume does not consider RCI to be a Christian organisation!
(Message edited by Im_out On 12/04/2009 18:58:11)
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D-T-M
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RE:Simon Says
(Date Posted:17/04/2009 01:01:15)
Disciple posted a link to Simon's Ute Hire Business.
This has been mentioned on these forums before.
He obviously needs some income to supplement his stipend!
Mole
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outaegypt
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Re:Simon Says
(Date Posted:17/04/2009 05:59:46)
.....or has he decided to pay Sydney Assembly back instead of making a non existent 'donation' to the Mission fund to appease the Pastor who has knowledge and questioned this unreturned debt? Tithes one hundred and one uses and not necessarily anything to do with God. Duker got caught buying shares with the Gold Coasts tithes. A Warnambool Pastor gambled away the tithes. Any one know of others?? Open books would no doubt reveal some very 'creative' Accounting.
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As I hear it, I'll repeat it,
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Allegation big and small,
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Im_out
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Re:Simon Says
(Date Posted:17/04/2009 06:39:45)
"A Warnambool Pastor gambled away the tithes."
Current or one of the previous Pastors Outa ??
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outaegypt
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Reply To Im%5Fout
(Date Posted:17/04/2009 07:23:05)
Reply to Im_out (17/04/2009 06:39:45)
"A Warnambool Pastor gambled away the tithes."
Current or one of the previous Pastors Outa ?? It's any bodies guess what the Current one gets up too!!! Past- Long Gone, from memory a very nice family. I would hope he got help and found repentance. Non of us are with out sin some are just more advertised than others!
It's the overcoming that counts not the sin.
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As I hear it, I'll repeat it,
Its up to you if you believe it!
Allegation big and small,
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Re:Simon Says
(Date Posted:17/04/2009 23:47:22)
I just wondered the current one is very much the Company man, who defends Simon and Glenn to the utmost degree.
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outaegypt
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Reply To Im%5Fout
(Date Posted:18/04/2009 07:54:11)
Reply to Im_out (17/04/2009 23:47:22)
I just wondered the current one is very much the Company man, who defends Simon and Glenn to the utmost degree. Yes but his son had the inherited intelligence to shove a fire cracker rocket up his butt and light it, a rather unique fire works spectacular show to say the least and of course burnt his butt rather badly. So all I can say in regards to the presently appointed Pastor is that apples don't fall from their trees. Mind you, nobody wanted that Pastor ship, they were so desperate they would hand it to any idiot- I rest my case!
They appoint Pastorships to some more than interesting characters, putting them in positions of what they see as authority and once that authoritarian power kicks in the instabilities in their characters start to show.
There are so many Redneck looney Pastors, I bet they all pulled wings of fly as children. Some show obvious signs of cruelty towards those they want to victimize and if they cant target the Adult they will target the children as the next best thing. I have watched families targeted and terrorized by one Pastor in particular and his little group of faithful Redneck merry followers. Given the opportunity to bad mouth someone the true spirit that lies with in is revealed. Maybe if RCI aknowledged the existence of Demons there wouldn't be so many demonic influences in the place.
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As I hear it, I'll repeat it,
Its up to you if you believe it!
Allegation big and small,
soon revealed before us all.
outa here- Outa Egypt!
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Reply To outaegypt
(Date Posted:18/04/2009 16:01:10)
Reply to outaegypt (18/04/2009 07:54:11) Reply to Im_out (17/04/2009 23:47:22)
Maybe if RCI aknowledged the existence of Demons there wouldn't be so many demonic influences in the place. .. messengers of Satan preaching a false gospel !!! blessings
Eric
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Re:Simon Says
(Date Posted:18/04/2009 20:11:07)
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