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RE:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:05/11/2008 18:18:32)
RCI friends,
As you ponder the apparent "lack of wisdom" and "lack of courage" of your leaders in dealing with this alleged financial scandal, might I suggest two things?
1) There's a whole world of Christianity outside of RCI, that's worth investigating despite the difficulty of untangling a lifetime of connection with your current "church"
2) If your leaders can't deal with something as plain as fiscal responsibility and transparency, what's to suggest they have been "rightly dividing the word of truth" regarding the place of tongues in the New Testament? Trust in their leadership now seems misplaced. Are they worthy of any trust in their teaching of the bible, particularly when 99% plus of Christendom (including almost all other tongues-speakers) say they're wrong? Misled regarding leadership, misled regarding doctrine?
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RE:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:05/11/2008 23:26:23)
These examinations are clearly showing the 'report' of men. If your not seeing some one even attempting to be a Christlike Shepherd maybe your following the wrong flock. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
JUST FURTHER THOUGHTS:
Where is our allegiance? Is RCI our first Love or are we truly servants of the Almighty Creator and Ultimate Judge. Do we answer to Man or answer to God, do we fear man or fear God. Do we please man or desire to please God.
You make a choice when you choose to stay silent. Is your allegiance to God or is it to a man? Scripture tells us let God be true and every man a liar- almost prophetic after this week.
There are a number of people in RCI that may not even realize they been faced with a decision that actually requires an action. To stand for God being Truth or Stand with Satan and Falsify a lie. Will you stand in silent agreement to something you know is not true?
PSL said in his testimony in Court, the Gold Coast family involved were the first to bring a complaint to him about GD and his business. For all of you awho approached PSL prior to and including July 2006, It's your responsibility to come forward and rectify this seemingly blatant deception before God and man. I remember hearing of several complaints prior to this situation.
Make correction now on public record and avoid the humiliation of being revealed as a falsehood to your Brethren by standing in silent agreement further down the track. Better to reveal a lie than to be caught in a lie by false testimony.
Ask yourselves who is My God and to whom do I answer, who is my God and who do I serve?
Be righteous for righteousness sake, Where is your honour, your integrity, your truth. Are you willing to take on others sins and by silence falsifying someone's lie?.
How my Spirit Grieves for the misplaced loyalties that are so abused- so expendable.
We are to be lovers of the Truth.
You have to choose who you serve God or Mammon? To whom is your devotion? mammon:wealth regarded as an evil influence or false object of worship and devotion.
Psalm 45:7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness,
1 Timothy 4:1
The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2.Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.
Is your silence due to cowardness and are you prepared to answer for it? Revelation 21:8
But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
(Message edited by outaegypt On 08/12/2008 08:10:17)
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Allegation big and small,
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Re:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:16/11/2008 18:24:51)
Those considering compromising themselves for what may be claimed as for 'the sake of protecting the church'- Think! you don't protect something of God by false testimony.
What communion has light with darkness. The basic child like simplicity of good v's evil.... truth is good, lies are evil. What does it reveal about the heart of a man that lies.... Are there none spiritual left among you? Obviously not! as long as you are silent to continue to commune and be led by liars and defrauders.
Nothing about spiritual abuse is simple, it is subtle. The perpetrators may be people who seem like they are seeking to guide you to the deepest levels of spiritual maturity.
Spiritual abuse occurs when someone in a position of spiritual authority, misuses that authority placing themselves over God’s people to control, coerce or manipulate them for seemingly Godly purposes which are really their own. Proverbs 21: 28 A false witness shall perish,
But the man who hears him will speak endlessly.
1 Corinthans 7:23 23: You were bought at a price; do not become slaves of men.
(Message edited by outaegypt On 16/11/2008 18:27:41)
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As I hear it, I'll repeat it,
Its up to you if you believe it!
Allegation big and small,
soon revealed before us all.
outa here- Outa Egypt!
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Re:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:16/11/2008 18:47:18)
Jeremiah 23:1-4
“What sorrow awaits the leaders of my people—the shepherds of my sheep—for they have destroyed and scattered the very ones they were expected to care for,” says the Lord. 2 Therefore, this is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says to these shepherds: “Instead of caring for my flock and leading them to safety, you have deserted them and driven them to destruction. Now I will pour out judgment on you for the evil you have done to them.I will visit and attend to you for the evil of your doings, 3 But I will gather together the remnant of my flock from the countries where I have driven them. I will bring them back to their own sheepfold, and they will be fruitful and increase in number. 4 Then I will appoint responsible shepherds who will care for them, and they will never be afraid again. Not a single one will be lost or missing. I, the Lord have spoken!
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As I hear it, I'll repeat it,
Its up to you if you believe it!
Allegation big and small,
soon revealed before us all.
outa here- Outa Egypt!
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Re:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:01/12/2008 06:44:15)
Public Examinations continue: This Friday 5 Dec 08. 10 am, Sydney Supreme Court, 184 Phillip St Sydney, Level 3. The Matter between Bruce Gleeson(Liquidator) and RVP Group, being Glenn Duker, Matthew Duker and Lorilea Duker Directors.
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As I hear it, I'll repeat it,
Its up to you if you believe it!
Allegation big and small,
soon revealed before us all.
outa here- Outa Egypt!
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RE:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:06/12/2008 07:24:17)
Just a bit of information, will hopefully have more by tomorrow evening as a few contacts were in attendance. Fridays 'guest' appearances were more concerning the business practices and responsibilities of the 3'Dukers as the Directors of RVP, the preparing and signing off on false declarations and submitting false financial statements.
The Confirmation of 'one' being a Solicitor and him being fully aware that these documents and financial statements he prepared were based on fabricated numbers.
Confirmation of the breach of the Corporations Act and again as a Solicitor should have full knowledge of such laws. It was revealed by the Examiner that A.S.I.C is pending Criminal Prosecution against GD and his Accountant.
(To not report suspected breaches is an offense, VS &PSL acting as Pastors told members not to report to ASIC but leave him to continue trading). Breach of Professional conduct against GD. There will be a return expected of funds from 2 Pastors that received 'preferential' payments from RVP assets. (VS & CF)
G claimed physical threats were made against his wife in attempting to not comply with stating his address for the Court, unable to substantiate any such threat or name any such person he was forced to comply or be found in contempt. G attempted to Slander and malign those that spoke the truth about his fraudulent activities and the deplorable way he was treating people. Even though these claims have been substantiated, he still fails to take any responsibility or show any remorse or repentance and worse still the RCI Oversight still support and one of the offenders is still a Pastor.
I recently was able to read the initial emails and correspondence that was sent to PSL & VS over 3 years ago concerning this ordeal. Like others that have followed this situation with interest am astounded that such hard evidence was ignored and perversely handled by PSL & VS but those that spoke up were persecuted and used as a virtual scapegoat for these mens profits. I found the Correspondence between one family and G was distressing to read, the contradictions given from one response to another, blatant broken promises and lies with absolutely no concern for how he treated people was just void of any moral conscience, these people were held to emotional and financial ransom for months with lie after lie, while G took his family on a First Class Holiday to the USA on money that he owed other people. It is disgusting that the D's were supported in any way by OverSight as Said before it is the exact example of preferring the wicked over the just. That surmounts to birds of a feather flock together.
There has been a huge injustice committed here in the treatment of the people that dared to stand against the odds but spoke the truth because it was the right thing to do. In revealing these truths many people have been released from huge debts that were falsely claimed in their names without their knowledge.
The Transcript is available as public record and will be posted when released.
Some of us still have family that we are emotionally and physically separated from due to the harsh stand RCI takes. RCI claim to put people out of fellowship so the Lord can find their church without spot or blemish- or put 'offenders' out for the destruction of the flesh. Yet this situation orchestrated by 2 Pastors and involving so many other Pastors that enforce these above said rules, have supported and participated in the spreading of a filthy aggressive cancer on what they would claim to be Gods people and Church. It's time to start looking at the Report of the men that claim to caring for the sheep. I don't see my God being reflected in any of these mens testimonies, attitude's or actions. --------------------------------------------------------------
As I hear it, I'll repeat it,
Its up to you if you believe it!
Allegation big and small,
soon revealed before us all.
outa here- Outa Egypt!
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RE:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:06/12/2008 18:52:01)
I have been informed that there is action also being taken against GD/RVP for other dealings, I won't say anymore as I am not sure if the summons has been handed, it was suppose to be on Friday (the only time they could find him).
I think it's terrible that this sort of rubbish actually happens in churches. As far as I know people go to churches to learn about God, Jesus etc.etc... Not get invovled in dealings and stealings. Is that what churches are about now days???
I have noticed on the news over the years this sort of thing happening more and more, what? don't people have enough money or are they using churches to boost their income?
Sack tham all I say!
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Reply To The%5FPrime%5FJudge
(Date Posted:06/12/2008 21:31:05)
Reply to The_Prime_Judge (06/12/2008 18:52:01) I have been informed that there is action also being taken against GD/RVP for other dealings, I won't say anymore as I am not sure if the summons has been handed, it was suppose to be on Friday (the only time they could find him).
I think it's terrible that this sort of rubbish actually happens in churches. As far as I know people go to churches to learn about God, Jesus etc.etc... Not get invovled in dealings and stealings. Is that what churches are about now days???
I have noticed on the news over the years this sort of thing happening more and more, what? don't people have enough money or are they using churches to boost their income?
Sack tham all I say! The Bailiff turned up with the Summons to be served just after G had left. His address was secured this time.
There is another Solicitor(Debt Collector) who has collected over $100,000 of dollars Glenn owed to people that have NO affiliation with RCI. We only hear these RCI involved situations due to our association and family in RCI, we have heard only a small portion of what the Ds in their dismal and unethical business have allegedly done to people for many years. People from the Ds past are claiming information of dubious business practices that have continued for years and are just the norm wether legal or ethical doesn't seem to be a consideration. The D's Business practices could be compared to an open vein, the bleeding out of others money is of no concern as there has been an open slather of transfusions available, the family fortune is said to have tipped in Millions over the years, his facade as a trust worthy man of God assured assembly and non assembly folk the safety of some one honorable who had their best interests at heart, and the assembly member who was also an employee who foolishly gave G help when G portrayed himself as a Pastor/brother in desperate need of financial assistance of short term loans. When the dates to return funds and release their names from debts, out came the man who is now being revealed before the Courts, very different to the Pastor that convincingly begged for their help with such sincerity and humble thanks. Similar situation to the poor Pensioner/Widow who G is said to have sincerely assured he was fighting this ATO debt on her behalf, a debt left jointly in her name with RVP (Alleged GST Credits claimed and kept by RVP without her knowledge) during the same week he was knowingly liquidating his company, knowingly lying to her leaving her responsible to pay the debt of ill gotten gains. There are too few words to describe the depth of filthy greed of these people, no moral conscience and still not even after being revealed has any remorse been shown. Total psychopathic blindness to wrongs, and the delusion further justified by the support of PSL and VS on behalf of RCI. The Church is the perfect feeding ground, full of trusting vulnerable people, who like to see the good in people, who would give the shirt off their back to some one in distress or need, blindly obedient, told not to judge, not to speak ill of someone to another brother and with that cloak of silence guaranteed - church folk are like sheep that can be picked off one by one if nobody cries WOLF! There are sheep that have been bitten by this wolf and they sit, some have lied, others just too gutless to stand up and cry wolf - the blood of others are on their hands.
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As I hear it, I'll repeat it,
Its up to you if you believe it!
Allegation big and small,
soon revealed before us all.
outa here- Outa Egypt!
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RE:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:07/12/2008 04:05:01)
Reply to Outaegypt
People from the Dukers past are starting to come forward with information of dubious business practices that have continued for years and are just the norm wether legal or ethical doesn't seem to be a consideration.
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Glenn has employed many a RCI member in the past. Who are these people that are coming foward now?
What I just cannot fathom is why Simon L is defending him so staunchly. Does he have money invested in his scheme?
The gleaming BMW that quitly prowled into the Frankston Assembly car park today held none other than Glenn D with his family in tow. The Frankston Assembly was where Glenn began his rapid rise through the RCI ranks. He was originally sent to Frankston as both a house leader and young peoples leader. In the past on most Sundays it would be the norm to see him and the area leader up to their usual routine, namely to haul people aside and berate and harangue them for some minor breach of Assembly protocol. One of them would then scurry off to consult wth the pastor and then hurry back with the pastor"s verdict and then they would continue to carry on their intimidating and menacing tactics.
Not so today. He sat towards the back at the meeting. At the break he sat with all his friends.....His brother Matt and family.
Maybe he figures the creditors and bailiff will not find him in Frankston.
One can only wonder what he prayed about at prayer time.
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Re:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:07/12/2008 06:40:47)
Maybe he figures the creditors and bailiff will not find him in Frankston.
All the said facts and evidence really is astounding isn't it, 6 Million owed to Creditors, Supreme Court Examinations (next one in Feb) Pending prosecution from ASIC, Fraudulently claimed GST Credits -prosecution pending, more summons being served, 27 Creditors, Falsely claimed bankruptcy revealing numerous properties, not complying with Court Orders and still in Fellowship. What ever reasoning is used to keep them in, one thing for sure is it has nothing to do with Scriptures or God. Liars and defrauders are to be removed. Mark 10:18
You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery,’ ‘Do not murder,’ ‘Do not steal,’ ‘Do not bear false witness,’ ‘Do not defraud,’
All the evidence and witnesses but some how these verses and many others are not applicable to the D's, maybe it's about time the members started questioning why the protecting of con men.
(Message edited by outaegypt On 08/12/2008 05:46:56)
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As I hear it, I'll repeat it,
Its up to you if you believe it!
Allegation big and small,
soon revealed before us all.
outa here- Outa Egypt!
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Reply To outaegypt
(Date Posted:07/12/2008 16:01:13)
Good morning, OoE.
It's truly ironic, isn't it, watching the most senior of the RCI's leadership patently not practicing what they've long demanded (i.e. "preached") of others? Consider, for decades they've (mis)quoted 1 Thessalonians 5:22, "abstain from all appearance of evil", claiming the verse to mean that one must be so absolutely "squeaky clean" as to be above any and all possibility of outward reproach (for the "gospel's" sake, one presumes). Of course the verse teaches nothing of the sort. It's actually an admonishment to avoid entering into sinful acts if and when they present: "abstain from engaging in evil, each time it appears" is a far better translation.
So I'm led to wondering just how many of the "little people" have been cast out of fellowship over the years for much less than the amazing degree of greed, hypocrisy and outright dishonesty displayed by certain of the notable, well-heeled and well-placed within the RCI "glitterazzi"? Clearly what are rules for some, are apparently little more than guidelines for others; the emphasis being wholly dependent upon which "class" one belongs to within the communion.
A quote attributed to St Jerome (4th century) sums up matters perfectly, "flee from those shepherds who are also men of business!" Indeed.
God bless,
Ian
(Message edited by Didaktikon On 08/12/2008 16:38:09)
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Re:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:07/12/2008 21:03:24)
Hi Outa Thanks for keeping us 'posted' on this matter. It is such an eye-opener to me. One rule for the chiefs, another for the indians, ah? To think how many have been made to feel unworthy because they may have committed a minor infringement of guidelines/laws that shouldn't really exist. Like Ian said above, the "little people" being "cast out". Makes me want to revert to my full name (Spitchips) today just thinking of it. Glad tidings to you and yours. Chips
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Re:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:07/12/2008 22:55:18)
I wonder if they really understand the scope of what have happened here. It must be frustrating for the people that can see the big picture.
Why is the next examination on the 9th of feb? what happens to the people that are owned money until then, they keep paying interest on the debts?
Looks like a massive disaster.
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Reply To The%5FPrime%5FJudge
(Date Posted:09/12/2008 07:55:00)
Reply to The_Prime_Judge (07/12/2008 22:55:18) I wonder if they really understand the scope of what have happened here. It must be frustrating for the people that can see the big picture.Why is the next examination on the 9th of feb? what happens to the people that are owned money until then, they keep paying interest on the debts?Looks like a massive disaster. I'm not sure what happens as far as debt are concerned, but if people have taken out loans they must be having to make repayments– banks wait for no man!. I hear some are doing it extremely hard, recovery is more than just financial. The final notice ATO debts (GST credits claimed) have been frozen whilst under objection, but there would be costs incurred to those people in having to object/legals/accounting etc. Some people have been released from these ATO debts responsibility which would have to be such a relief. I doubt anyone could have foreseen the depths of this and the ramifications, it seems to be a tangled web of numerous ploys and cons and the epitome of greed and power. One thing seems clear the o/s should have never attempted to control it and should have let it be handled outside the church by people with professional knowledge and expertise. PLL always said we stand at the door of the church. In this case the money changes were invited in and given refuge- not quite how Jesus handled the money changes in the temple.
They were warned it had the potential to blow up in the church if they continued to involve themselves, as there were already so many Pastors involved (7), 3 Pastors being Directors of the company and then the involvement of members and families all somehow connected to RCI but just like other complaints made about the same person years earlier to this situation they ignored the advice. I imagine even people involved would have had little concept of the depth and the enormity of what is unfolding. It seems more and more keeps coming to the surface as time passes. The big picture seems to be getting bigger! The Lords timing is perfect. All we had heard in RCI at the beginning was a family that supposedly had their neck in knots and some how this mess was all their fault. But now we know there are something like 27 Creditors, others with negative past experiences and debts owed to them, Responsibility of the claimed GST Credit Debts being removed from the clients, Pending Action from ASIC and ATO, Court Action being taken by individuals and Supreme Court Action for the Creditor Group and there are people still in the church with bad past experiences who should speak out- sounds like a rat, looks like a rat, is a rat! If the substance wasn't there surely none of this would be happening- you dont have ASIC, ATO and Supreme Court breathing down your neck for the fun of it.
What I dont get is if O/S make decisions and behaved for less than honorably, when it became obvious that has happened, wouldn't you want to put your hand up and go you know what, we got it wrong and do everything in your power to right the situation to the best of your ability, but I've noticed the opposite response, so have others I speak to, more anger and outrage because something they tried to play down and hush up is gathering momentum as the truth is revealed bringing their involvement and behavior into scrutiny and question.
(Message edited by outaegypt On 09/12/2008 08:01:42)
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As I hear it, I'll repeat it,
Its up to you if you believe it!
Allegation big and small,
soon revealed before us all.
outa here- Outa Egypt!
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Reply To outaegypt
(Date Posted:09/12/2008 15:48:19)
Good morning, OoE.
I'm confident that the various "pastors" involved in this dirty little scam will get their comeuppance. For starters, each of them has irreparably damaged his own reputation and standing in the eyes of the RCI "flock", having been fully and patently exposed for complicity and duplicitous conduct in certain questionable dealings. Next, of course, the issue has gone public and the public attention can only escalate over the coming weeks and months. Consequently the RCI is no longer simply that "quirky little group down the road"; they will be forever known as that "quirky little group down the road who are scam merchants". As an aside, perhaps you can remember the hoopla and damage done in 1987, when the RCI was labeled a "cult" in a prominent women's magazine? Well, the impact of the current scandal will certainly be far greater than the former; Mr and Mrs Average Australian care more about this sort of thing than they do the "Armageddon date setting" nonsense of Lloyd R. Longfield!
From my perspective, the RCI is pretty much a spent force in Australia and the remainder of the western world. Census data demonstrates that they've experienced significant decline, numerically, for years. Clearly they've been on the decline, ethically, too.
Blessings,
Ian
(Message edited by Didaktikon On 09/12/2008 15:53:18)
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Re:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:09/12/2008 16:21:26)
Hi Outa
Well put, Ian.
Once money is the subject of headlines, people sit up and take notice. I admit to being a bit shocked at the depth of fraud uncovered. Maybe my rose-coloured blinkers should be tossed away once and for all where this lot is concerned.
If the adage 'where there's smoke there's fire' is true, then surely the whole assembly must be choking!
Chips
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Re:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:14/12/2008 15:52:12)
Hi,
I was reading through this all again. One question, Does anyone know if this person or persons have been convicted of any crime yet? There seems to be a lot of accusations but no proof, I'm not sure I can only go by what I am reading here. If this guy, or whoever it is, broke the law wouldn't they be charged by now? it seems to be taking a hell of a long time considering the first post was back in June!
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Re:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:18/12/2008 17:13:47)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsn1LaduWoI (copy & paste into URL)
How much of this interview sounds familiar?
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As I hear it, I'll repeat it,
Its up to you if you believe it!
Allegation big and small,
soon revealed before us all.
outa here- Outa Egypt!
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Re:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:19/12/2008 14:21:38)
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Re:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:22/12/2008 22:24:47)
can I asl - cos I find it 'imcomprehensible - why are you part of the congregation?
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RE:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:23/12/2008 20:45:07)
Unlike You Would Never Guess ("YWNG") the Mole was more than happy for one lousy carol to replace the usual 35 minutes of choruses and testimonies. There was about an hour of carols after to communion service.
The Mole considered the quantity of sandwicdhes and cakes on offer to be similar in quantity to the food provided in the parable of the loaves and fishes. Perhaps YWNG was caught up in a management meeting and only got out after the plebs had had their fill.
Mole
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Re:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:26/12/2008 02:25:04)
To you'd-never-guess
How utterly tiresome the constant misinformation (Lies) are on this site.
Have
the courage to speak the Truth and stop peddling the endless
distortions to suit your anti RCI agenda. I am sure most readers would
much prefer to be correctly informed.
There was a Christmas
Meeting - a la Two not one communal Carols, a brief message, and
strange as it may seem it relates to an event over 2000 years old so,
you want a new slant ??
Now that would be controversial ! Then Communion including the Spiritual Gifts as in a normal meeting.
Followed by a smaller ( 1 hour) Carols Concert, maybe not everyone's "thing" but well rehearsed and performed with dedication.
Then,
afternoon tea - as in sandwiches by the multitude and an abundance of
cakes, pavlovas etc. Enough that were plenty of left overs.
These
are the facts, do with them what you will, but stop being a purveyor of
dire, "look how they are sinking" messages.
Be honest - it's a fine virtue.
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Reply To Guest
(Date Posted:30/12/2008 02:16:58)
Reply to Guest (26/12/2008 02:25:04)
To you'd-never-guess
How utterly tiresome the constant misinformation (Lies) are on this site.
Have the courage to speak the Truth and stop peddling the endless distortions to suit your anti RCI agenda. I am sure most readers would much prefer to be correctly informed.
There was a Christmas Meeting - a la Two not one communal Carols, a brief message, and strange as it may seem it relates to an event over 2000 years old so, you want a new slant ??
Now that would be controversial ! Then Communion including the Spiritual Gifts as in a normal meeting.
Followed by a smaller ( 1 hour) Carols Concert, maybe not every one's "thing" but well rehearsed and performed with dedication.
Then, afternoon tea - as in sandwiches by the multitude and an abundance of cakes, pavlovas etc. Enough that were plenty of left overs.
These are the facts, do with them what you will, but stop being a purveyor of dire, "look how they are sinking" messages.
Be honest - it's a fine virtue. Its a pity you were not concerned "like the rest of us are", about the main issue at hand". I apologize for missing the extra carol, and must have arrived late as DTM mentioned to the feast. And yes your sister did a fine job singing the carols :) YNG
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RE:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:08/01/2009 17:44:35)
The following is taken from Sitrep.
One can only conclude that either these rules are for the flock only and don't apply to pastors or they are no longer valid. Pastors are above the law after all.
BUSINESS IN THE CHURCH
An alarming increase of business within assemblies by Church members is apparent. Only a small number of those who co-opt others do well. This can cause a conflict of attitude and interests between members.
Optimistic and unattainable claims have broken down relationships in certain cases.
Some are already a force within the Church and many have changed their priorities due to business.
The church is led by shepherds and should not be challenged by its members. Many organisations use Scriptures to push their business into the Churches. In Matthew 21:12 we read:
"And Jesus went into the temple of God and cast out all that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the money changers...And said unto them, It is written my house should be called the house of prayer, but ye have made it a den of thieves."
Those engaged in this type of business should be taken aside and individually acquainted with the policy. They should agree to disassociate themselves from this practise as soon as possible.
WORKING FOR WAGES
We are not allowing Assembly members to work for each other except for normal type positions that pay a wage. The practice of employing members on "money upfront" commission only and "pyramid type" schemes can engender troubles, cliques and distorted loyalties . Many have been disillusioned, disappointed and have departed.
BUSINESS VENTURES
No member should enter into any business arrangement in the church without first seeing the oversight! This is a simple practice and will guard against the increasing number of venture offered. The assembly should not be treated as a captive market place. Any Pastors who are unsure of any particular aspect of this policy should ring.
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Reply To Fled
(Date Posted:08/01/2009 23:47:57)
Fled,
The 'SITREP' has been defunct for years.
Blessings,
Ian
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Vivos voco, mortuos plango
website: www.pleaseconsider.info email: didaktikon@gmail.com
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Reply To Disciple
(Date Posted:09/01/2009 02:05:14)
Hi, Eric.
Basically one has to subscribe to the ABS in order to access their data (it does cost, however, most universities already subscribe so if your college has an inter-library understanding with UQ or Griffith Uni, you should be able to get access, gratis).
It's been my habit to check the 'stats' after every census. To say that the RCI and the RF are in serious decline would be a considerable understatement!
Blessings,
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Re:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:09/01/2009 07:22:01)
In the Supreme Court SL when being questioned on the rules and regulations placed on the members of the congregation, SL said that there were no rules enforced but people are guided by their own hearts. So if that was the truth, are people now putting themselves out of fellowship? because people are still being put out. How long are people going to turn a blind eye to the distortion of the truth that comes from these mens lips. Better to stand alone with Christ than to stand with falsehoods such as these.
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As I hear it, I'll repeat it,
Its up to you if you believe it!
Allegation big and small,
soon revealed before us all.
outa here- Outa Egypt!
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RE:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:09/01/2009 18:05:30)
The sitrep information on Business quoted in a previous post was later on included in the guidelines that were formatted under various headings by a fanatical area leader. These guidelines were then read out at house meetings so that all members were aware of them. They were liberally quoted and enforced throughout the 90's. This area leader was Glenn's mentor and those guidelines were frequently cited by both of them when they were giving some poor member a dressing down for some pathetic infringement or for putting them out of fellowship.
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Re:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:16/01/2009 19:14:14)
Even Lloyd is in damage control, trying to distance his son's name SIMON LONGFIELD from the Dukers affairs. He does not want his son's name, the Head Pastor of of RCI Simon Longfield even used, he is very much attempting to control conversation. Good luck with that!
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As I hear it, I'll repeat it,
Its up to you if you believe it!
Allegation big and small,
soon revealed before us all.
outa here- Outa Egypt!
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Re:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:17/01/2009 01:46:28)
There is a whole realm of the Dukers Dealings that is about to be revealed,
makes the accusations and findings made so far pale into insignificance by comparison.
This is the beginning of the end to this whole affair.
(Message edited by cultevasion On 17/01/2009 08:24:54)
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CAGD
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Re:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:21/01/2009 23:09:36)
Brisbane Sun will be running an article on the latest victims to fall prey to a further property Scam by Glenn Duker a former Pastor of Revival Centres International Gold Coast, Lorilea Duker and Matthew Duker who is currently a Pastor of Revival Centres International Melbourne.
Sunday 25th January 2009.
Out of area can order through local News Agency.
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Disciple(Ex-member)
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RE:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:22/01/2009 15:05:36)
Just be aware though that there is another paper called the "Brisbane Sun" and it had this cut and paste on its website so I hope you are referring to Sunday Mail..
The
final 2008 edition of the Brisbane Sun was published in December
2008.
Our
office is now closed for the summer break. The office re-opens at 9am,
Wednesday, January 28, 2009.
The
first 2009 edition of the Brisbane Sun will be published on
Wednesday, February 11, 2009.
The
first 2009 edition of Travel Monthly will be published on
Wednesday, February 11, 2009.
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Reply To Disciple
(Date Posted:24/01/2009 02:35:49)
Reply to Disciple (22/01/2009 15:05:36) Just be aware though that there is another paper called the "Brisbane Sun" and it had this cut and paste on its website so I hope you are referring to Sunday Mail..
The final 2008 edition of the Brisbane Sun was published in December 2008.
Our office is now closed for the summer break. The office re-opens at 9am, Wednesday, January 28, 2009.
The first 2009 edition of the Brisbane Sun will be published on Wednesday, February 11, 2009.
The first 2009 edition of Travel Monthly will be published on Wednesday, February 11, 2009. Heres the web link for it, if this is the one your on about, http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/sundayLook forward to seeing it. From what I know most folk need cold hard evidence, and most are just still waiting so I also look forward to seeing the transcrips once OOE gets them. Im_out
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Re:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:24/01/2009 07:29:46)
Here comes another one.... Another person who is owed about $600K. also has Melb. mob and Bikie connections. AVO's have been taken out by the Dukers and they are 'trying' to hide, after some unauthorized demolition work was carried out on a fence and security system removed at the property Lorilea is staying at in Sandrington. Brighton is a decoy address and Glenns where about's is known but undisclosed.
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As I hear it, I'll repeat it,
Its up to you if you believe it!
Allegation big and small,
soon revealed before us all.
outa here- Outa Egypt!
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Reply To outaegypt
(Date Posted:24/01/2009 16:11:14)
Reply to outaegypt (24/01/2009 07:29:46)
Here comes another one....
Another person who is owed about $600K. also has Melb. mob and Bikie connections.
AVO's have been taken out by the Dukers and they are 'trying' to hide, after some unauthorized demolition work was carried out on a fence and security system removed at the property Lorilea is staying at in Sandrington.
Brighton is a decoy address and Glenns where about's ;;is known but undisclosed.
Having just watched all of Underbelly, I would think at this point in time the Supreme court would be the least of Glenn and Mathews problems, Id be doing the Tony Mokbel, or Skase disappearing over seas trip at this time. (Any one care to help, spare yacht, and holiday house in Malta etc ). I did a quick search on Google and nothing new came up, though there are other articles written about what we know already. If I was going to Boxhill Rci or Frankstone, Id be worried, who knows who will turn up looking for them. No matter how tough you think you are, or how bent your past, Im glad Im out of there.
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RE:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:24/01/2009 18:25:22)
Pastor Matthew Duker will be available for comment at the Sunshine Coast Assembly today. Where he is enjoying a Holiday at other peoples expense.
Will Pastor Simon Longfeild continue to lie in Court and give his support to these fine Christian People, or will he retract his fabrications and start putting the blame where it has always been- with the Dukers.
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As I hear it, I'll repeat it,
Its up to you if you believe it!
Allegation big and small,
soon revealed before us all.
outa here- Outa Egypt!
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Re:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:24/01/2009 21:26:44)
THE SUN HERALD TOP OF PAGE is WRITTEN POWERED BY BRISBANE TIMES. Sunday 25,2009. Front page has 3 Little Nippers waving flags -Your guide to Australia day. Major Heading front page SURROGATE MUM TOLD TO PAY. Page 9. PREACHER'S PREY COUNT LOST MILLIONS.
Have you got your glasses on Eric?
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Reply To CAGD
(Date Posted:24/01/2009 22:25:24)
Reply to CAGD (24/01/2009 21:26:44) THE SUN HERALD TOP OF PAGE is WRITTEN POWERED BY BRISBANE TIMES. Sunday 25,2009. Front page has 3 Little Nippers waving flags -Your guide to Australia day. Major Heading front page SURROGATE MUM TOLD TO PAY. Page 9. PREACHER'S PREY COUNT LOST MILLIONS.
Must be two different versions of the same paper. Major headline says "Hospitals Fail Health Checks" ... and page 9 has "Mystery over Coles Artist "
so I must have a NSW edition being issued here in QLD - crazy .
Are you able to scan the article and email it.. Meanwhile I will drive up to Sunnybank and try a service station there
thanks
Eric
Have you got your glasses on Eric?
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Disciple(Ex-member)
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RE:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:24/01/2009 23:48:41)
Attention All.
I have located the article from the newspaper and scanned and converted into a "pdf" document which you will need an "Adobe Acrobat Reader" to read.
I have sent two copies out to a friend or two and if you would like to acquire it can you "PM" me with your board ID and an email address eg "brolga - brolga@gmail.com" and I will forward it on to you... If I have doubts about your legitimacy of ID, I may email you privately or check with the moderators for confirmation.
Be aware that the file is large at approximately 2 megabytes in size and therefore I urge you to make sure you have emptied your email box,
To my friends whom I have already emailed this to, can you email me back confirming the attachment got to your email box ok and also would you mind passing on to any emails addresses you might know please..
blessings
Eric.
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Re:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:25/01/2009 01:16:55)
Hi Eric, stupid question, is there a web address from the paper you can put up? It obviously may not be up there today but probably in a few days time, then we can get it up here. As you may or may not know especially with the hits at over 4500, I know that a lot of Rci folk in Melbourne are looking on here. They really are being kept in the dark about this whole sad episode there is a huge cover up in the assembly.
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RE:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:25/01/2009 01:31:34)
Could you please post a detailed summary/outline of the article on this board.
It will keep those RCI members who dare to read this forum updated on the whole rort.
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Reply To Im%5Fout
(Date Posted:25/01/2009 02:15:01)
Reply to Im_out (25/01/2009 01:16:55) Hi Eric, stupid question, is there a web address from the paper you can put up? It obviously may not be up there today but probably in a few days time, then we can get it up here. As you may or may not know especially with the hits at over 4500, I know that a lot of Rci folk in Melbourne are looking on here. They really are being kept in the dark about this whole sad episode there is a huge cover up in the assembly.
But in the meantime I am happy to pass on to anyone without my comments or opinion so I am not held accountable for accusation of slander.
So if you want it, just PM me.. and what you do with it is your own business..
blessings
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Re:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:25/01/2009 06:31:42)
The Sun-Herald January25, 2009. Preacher’s prey count cost Millions by Kate Dennehy. ANGRY investors say they have lost Millions of dollars after their dealings with Gold Coast Solicitor and former Preacher Glenn Phillip Duker. At least 25 people attribute the loss of a total of $9Million to their involvement with Companies associated with Mr Duker,38, and his wife Lorilea Duker. The schemes included property joint ventures, loans and buying million dollar homes on the Gold coast, The Dukers through at least 30 companies have run complex schemes in Queensland, Victoria, NSW and Possibly Western Australia. The latest scheme allegedly involved buying homes from Gold Coast residents and borrowing through vendor finance more than the agreed amount with the seller. The excess was allegedly paid to one of Mr Dukers companies. Mr Duker is understood to have offered vendors about 70% upfront the rest owing was held as vendor finance to be paid later with Interest. He then mortgaged the properties for their total value. This meant that if the company were to become insolvent the seller would be unable to recoup the outstanding money. The Dukers allegedly used signed contracts as equity to borrow for more property “on selling” properties before the paying the balance of the debts or the interest. In such cases where the banks are not paid what is owed on either the first or second mortgage, they can repossess the properties and sell them, usually at much less than they are worth, and the seller has no way of recouping their money. Ian Hosking, a design Manager said he and his wife Samantha had lost about $600,000 on theur Sorrento home. The Hoskings listed their home for $1.65 Million in 2007. Mr Hosking said they had sold to the Dukers for an initial payment of $1.1million and a second mortgage of $500,000 with interest payable annually. In July the Hoskings saw their old house Advertised for sale for about $900,000. We realised something was wrong because the house was still worth in excess of the original purchase price. Me Hoskings said The Agent said it was being sold as mortgage in possession. He said the Dukers blamed the down turn in the property market for the low price. Mr Hoskings then learnt the Dukers first Mortgage was for $1.45 million,90% of the purchase price. We then became aware of many other properties in the same situation. Mr Hoskings said. Lynnette Orloff said she lived in her car or with friends after losing her Carrara house and the other Assets following her dealings with the Dukers. Ms Orloff who buys properties to renovate before selling said the Dukers were living it up on investors money. I’ve lost everything while they’re living like Millionaires and it looks like no one can touch them. Ms Orloff said she suffered a nervous break down and Im on anti depressants. Broadbeach builder and renovator Craig O’Brien said he and his wife had lost about $700,000, after Mr Duker failed to honour the sale of their Broadbeach Waters house. The banks had repossessed the property and sold it but the O’Briens had received nothing from the sale. Mr O’Brien said he had learned last year that the Dukers lived in the exclusive suburb of Brighton, and he had Mr Duker followed. “They were paying huge rents, sending their kids to private schools and both of them were driving brand new BMW’s.” he said. “They employ a nanny and fly interstate regularly staying in 5 star resorts..” Mr Duker reportedly works as a Solicitor at a St Kilda Rd firm In Melbourne. He and his wife were recently employed by Settle it Legal. A conveyancing company he originally set up in Surfers Paradise, where the office no longer operates. Mr Duker is a former Pastor of the fundamentalist church Revival centres International, which has branches around Australia including 5 in Queensland. Many investors in the Dukers failed RVP Group- of which Mr Duker was a Director were also members of the church. The RVP Group went into Liquidation in June. Banks took out caveats on the Dukers personal property. The RVP scheme involved the Dukers buying properties in their own name or on behalf of RVP. Solicitor Michael Hayter ,of Gillis Delaney Lawyers, last year acted for RVP Liquidator Bruce Gleeson in the NSW Supreme Court. Mr Hayter said Mr Duker had not advised the joint venturers to seek independent legal advice or explain that they could be liable for any mortgage shortfall. He said mr Duker also had failed to tell them they were liable for GST worth hundreds of thousands of Dollars , which RVP had claimed. Mr Gleeson confirmed last week that more than 25 creditors in Queensland, NSW and Victoria are owed more than $6Million by the failed company. He is recommending the Australian Securities and Investment Commission take further action against the Dukers. “Creditors of RVP are also pursuing Mr Duker under personal guarantees and have indicated they intend to make Mr Duker bankrupt if he does not pay them or alternatively declare himself bankruptcy himself” he said. Mr Duker has said he has no assets or money to pay creditors, Mr Gleeson said. The phone number the liquidator had for Mr Duker has been disconnected.
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As I hear it, I'll repeat it,
Its up to you if you believe it!
Allegation big and small,
soon revealed before us all.
outa here- Outa Egypt!
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Re:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:26/01/2009 00:19:42)
(Date Posted:25/01/2009 18:25:37)
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As I hear it, I'll repeat it,
Its up to you if you believe it!
Allegation big and small,
soon revealed before us all.
outa here- Outa Egypt!
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Re:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:28/01/2009 06:41:53)
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Reply To CAGD
(Date Posted:28/01/2009 15:59:13)
Reply to CAGD (28/01/2009 06:41:53) www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/queensland/preachers-prey-count-lost-millions/2009/01/28/1232818498952.html
Just a quick question. Can this fraudster face a jail term for all this ?? When you sum it all up, what you have is straight out theft of people's personal property namely their homes. What good is it if all he gets is a bankruptcy and in 10 years time when the bankruptcy is cleared he is still a free man that can't be touched... This really is not justice at all and the Revival Centres International have now brought themselves under a terrible reproach for having tried to cover it all up.
blessings
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Re:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:28/01/2009 17:46:12)
Lets face it how many murderers, rapists, repetitive drink drivers.... the list goes on, walk free? The law can be an Ass! Christopher Scase ring any bells. Does it mean he is not guilty if not convicted? Where there is smoke there is fire and if back burning contains the spread that's the course of action that will be taken. There are a people committed to stop him and reveal every lie associated to this fiasco. So I suppose everybody else who knows that information given in Court was a variance on the truth feel they can sit in the boat and pray about it, nothing quite like apathetic justification to float your sinking boat.
The world holds this man and the arrogance of it's Pastors in contempt, the church sticks it's sorry head further and further in the sand hoping it will go away. Was OJ Simpson a straight up case the evidence was over whelming. As is the evidence against the Dukers. There is no quick answer, it certainly is in the too hard basket. So do we, like the church and it's silent members allow him to continue? wipe our hands of it sit back and lets see what happens? Turn a blind eye because it doesn't involve us financially or effect us so it's not our problem? I dont think so and neither does the growing list of his victims. In the past 3 weeks the debt owed to people was at 6 million today it is closer to 9 Million. Another victim of the same scam came forward yesterday after seeing the News Paper Article. These are not numbers these are peoples lives, childrens rooms- Family homes. These are not business deals gone wrong these are fraudulent deception. But who cares? Everyone should.
Some major back burning is on it's way.
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Reply To CAGD
(Date Posted:28/01/2009 21:14:34)
Reply to CAGD (28/01/2009 17:46:12)
Yes it is just a case of sitting back and seeing what transpires over the next few months. We really are in no position to discern and prejudge. But there will be a "major backburning" as you say and I reckon you are right because the Court Judge is the one who will have to make the decision if there is a case for prosecution for transgression and infringement offence of Australian Crown law.
blessings
Eric
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Reply To Disciple
(Date Posted:29/01/2009 00:01:18)
Reply to Disciple (28/01/2009 21:14:34)
Reply to CAGD (28/01/2009 17:46:12)
Yes it is just a case of sitting back and seeing what transpires over the next few months. We really are in no position to discern and prejudge. But there will be a "major backburning" as you say and I reckon you are right because the Court Judge is the one who will have to make the decision if there is a case for prosecution for transgression and infringement offence of Australian Crown law.
So I suppose everybody else who knows that information given in Court was a variance on the truth feel they can sit in the boat and pray about it, nothing quite like apathetic justification to float your sinking boat.
Sitting was not quite the point I was aiming to promote, too many that should be jumping up and down are clinging to exactly what you said above. Affirming permission to do nothing is not the message to be reinforced -quite the opposite, to those ones that do know and say nothing -it is such a wrong position for them to be in. And it will incur judgement. Like failing to plan is planning to fail, so is doing nothing is doing something, saying nothing is silent support.
Of course like possibly yourself, if you know nothing there's not a whole lot you can do! Other than pray and support people affected if you know any. So Yes, Sit back, relax and pray.
And Yes, the law will be the judge, that judgement is only an avenue to assist the material wrongs that have devastated people and hopefully aid their recovery, and to stop this continuing. Ultimate judgement is what counts, our accountability before God for our actions.
But more than encouraging people to sit apathetically or be arrogantly nonchalant is the responsibility for those that know wrongs have been said and done, my point would be it's time to make a stand for whats right and stop being intimidated by fear of what will happen to you.
To speak the truth in the knowledge of adversity is a great test of faith- it certainly separates the sheep from the goats.
Was Christ persecuted for truth or did he sit back waiting to see how it panned out.
The church if it were a church of God and following his word is also charged to Judge within- regardless of the names involved.
It seems the church policy(a man's addition) and submission to heir-achy(to men) has replaced the loyalty that should be to God alone and following his Word.
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Re:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:31/01/2009 01:33:51)
Today I had a letter read to me - (will post if I can get hold of a copy).
Mr Glenn Philip Duker has declared bankruptcy, owing a debt of $34 MILLION to Creditors.
Yet again all his worthless personal guarantees and promises meant nothing.
If only ASIC had applied the Enforceable Undertaking that was discovered in the Court Examinations, instead of being swayed by the verbal guarantees given by the Pastors of Revival Centres International (some of whom are said to have received "preferential" payments, before the other creditors).
ASIC contacted and spoke to the Pastors, they assured ASIC that he was a good man who would pay back his debts.
ASIC 's choice of action, was to proceed with the Enforceable Undertaking of RVP and prosecute Glenn Duker .
The Pastors encouraged ASIC to give him time to trade out so they could get their money back.
The debt could have been stopped three to four years ago, at under $3Mil.
At the RVP liquidation the Dukers declared a small number of creditors owed a debt of $3 Mil. It was corrected to be $6 Mil by the additional 15 creditors that RVP failed to mention- Now it's at $34 Mil and over 30+ creditors.
This number will grow as more creditors are alerted to this latest bankruptcy claim.
As CAGD aptly said above-These are not numbers, these are peoples lives, children's bedrooms and Family homes!
Pastor Simon Longfield said 3 years ago "if we keep him in the fellowship we will be able to control him and 'encourage' him to pay people back" - well done your encouragement has amounted to a further $30+ million of debt and devastation.
The financial and emotional devastation, being conned by a company run by so called Pastors, the injustice of people chasing a man who is in hiding so he can not be served his due summons.
Those who have been hurt are not even allowed their right to fight for justice, families have been destroyed, people are suffering depression, nervous breakdowns, people have been hospitalized- how long before the pressure on these people lead to a successful suicide?
How can the people in the Church not care about the part their RCI Pastors have played in aiding this situation?
Instead of Pastor Victor Samoilenko telling Pastor Ian McGregor to "shut up, mind your own business and pull your head in", (McGregor confronted Victor as he lied to him about having business Ventures with Glenn) Victor should have followed his own advice!
It should have been handled by the proper legal channels, never in the church, the Pastors involved tried to control it and hide it.
Didn't work too well for the Catholic church either.
What happened to we stand at the door of the church on this one?
This should never have been allowed to continue, more people should have spoken up.
The fear of retribution should never have been a consideration.
Simon supported Glenn, in doing so they supported and affirmed his delusion allowing him to continue to financially defraud people.
Pastor Simon Longfield was warned this would blow up and the Church would be implicated if he continued to involve himself.
From all indications that is now the case.
It is bad enough that 3 Pastors were Directors of RVP (Matthew and Glenn Duker and Steve McCauley) + 4 other Pastors including Victor, Members and members families were involved financially and have lost money and some have further been left with illegal GST tax debts claimed by Glenn but then to add to it the Senior Pastor of RCI publicly verbally affirms his supports for these "good Christian men" and 'allegedly' perjures himself in court.
Simon Longfield in Court is said to have sworn he had no prior knowledge of problems with Glenn Duker doing business in the church until June 2005-
How many in Frankston Assembly remember hearing Pastor Ixx Pxxxx complaining about his particular financial problem and concerns back in 2000 with the Dukers, and Pxxxx warning Simon to do something to stop Glenn involving further church members and Simon did nothing.
Rxxxxxx Gaxxxxxxxxx complained continuously to Simon in 2004 until Simon put pressure on Glenn to release him from the Title of his Joint venture to shut him up.
RG has a bit of memory loss on how he got released and how much he complained.
Maybe a subpoena might jog his memory.
Rxxxxx Fxxxx went to Simon in 2002-2003 and there are others.
Even non members of the Church have contacted Simon and complained about what his "good Christian"appointed Pastors (Glenn and Matt,also a director of RVP Group Ltd, have done to them.
It will be interesting if these and others involved are subpoenaed.
Honesty and Accountability- interesting concept.
(Message edited by outaegypt On 07/02/2009 03:07:35)
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As I hear it, I'll repeat it,
Its up to you if you believe it!
Allegation big and small,
soon revealed before us all.
outa here- Outa Egypt!
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