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(Date Posted:04/03/2009 18:36:33)

Last night i recieved a call from my mother informing me that my grandfather (who in my lifetime was very much a father to me) was in intensive care following the explosion of his liver and could pass away at any moment.  I was not told initially as my grandmother did not want me to know so i couldn't make the trip to Adelaide in time to see him and thus remember him the way he was.

My mother has been in RCI since i was a young child and for years she has witnessed to my grandparents telling them that they will not enter the kingdom of god unless they repent, be baptised and speak in tongues.  Whilst speaking to my grandfather in his ill condition he uttered the words "am i worthy?".

My mother couldn't tell him he wasn't despite her beliefs which leads me to question how happy she is with them.  I don't know whether to believe it because it was hammered into me from what seems like day dot, or whether i just want to believe something else because it seems so unjustified and so unfair that because two people ate of the tree of knowledge however many years ago that my Papa who read the bible frequently, loved his wife of 53 years and his family, worked hard all his life etc. should have his three score and ten and fade away as though he never existed at all.

I'm not biased in my analysis of his character, he was the kind of person i'd aspire to be and no doubt fail.  He set the bar high and yet for years i have read similar stories such as this one and quite cold and condescendingly, with such calass disregard considered anyone irrespective of how 'good' they are/were to fall short of salvation because they had not been spirit filled.

Death where is thy sting? The trembling words of a dying man spelling out the fate of us all compell me to reconsider exactly what could possibly remove deaths sting short of a total lack of appreciation for life.  It appears as though my faith is much smaller than a grain of mustard seed.

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RE:Am i worthy?
(Date Posted:04/03/2009 19:50:08)

Dear Dosk,
I would forget all about that tongue speaking/spirit filled nonesence. It sounds likely from the information about your Grandfather you provided that he has a relationship with Christ. This is what will get him to heaven. I have seen so many tongue speakers that have no fruit of the spirit. This is the real evidence of being spirit filled. I also cant help but feel confidence in those souls who wonder at their worthiness before Christ. God requires a humble heart.

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Re:Am i worthy?
(Date Posted:04/03/2009 20:54:56)

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Dosk
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RE:Am i worthy?
(Date Posted:04/03/2009 21:20:30)

My mother will not the leave the RCI.  My sisters and my subsequent departure from the church broke her and even at the expense of disowning her two daughters she held strong to her beliefs. 

She called my sister a fornicating whore who couldn't keep her legs shut when she slept with her now husband.  Anyway i'm sure you've heard it all before.  Though she talks to me now her disdain is evident but she encourages me to lead "the best life i can" in hope of acquiring forgiveness for my trangressions.

The uniform doctrine of the RCI isn't entirely uniform and i suspect many members hearts lie elsewhere when matters pertaining to severing family and friends are involved.  Perhaps she'll come aorund one day, perhaps she won't, i personally like to believe that my grandfather will move onto better things irrespective of what i have been taught and what might be the truth.

People often say there are few objective truths in life, i have long believed heaven and eternal slavation are among those few.

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Re:Am i worthy?
(Date Posted:04/03/2009 21:46:56)

Hi Dosk

Like you, I often feel like a voyeur on chatbox (see I read you there today) but it's often a hit and miss affair there.

I left RF in November 08 after 31 years - which probably puts me in the same age bracket as your good mother or thereabouts.

From my point of view, one of the first and FINEST revelations I had upon leaving RF was that it was not my part to make judgements on people's salvation. That salvation is not a matter of a + b = c, but entirely depended on believing the gospel of Jesus Christ. This may sound routine to some but to me was the start of choosing life, living by grace and all that that grace affords.

Broken families are the legacy of a pseudo, counterfeit gospel. You've probably read of many as you've visited this forum.

I have been healed when I didn't know I needed it. I have been comforted when I didn't know I was agonising - so, Dosk, take heart.

Continue to read your bible and don't give up on all churches. There are some wonderful places of refuge and strength out there (contrary to what I was told).  Read the threads written some time ago now on this forum - 'pleaseconsider'. Maybe your mum will need you, down the track. to help her 'cross over' and make sense of some wasted years. You just never know.

Your grandad sounds to me like the Christian we would all want to be.

By the way, I know Pastor T from way back - when he first 'came along'. A good man, a good family - and a good thing for him he got the boot out of RCI afterall.

Thanks for writing your post - and I pray for you as you come to terms with the loss of your grandad and struggle on with family so involved in the RCI.

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