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Title: Simon Says
  
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Registered: 06/04/2001

(Date Posted:19/01/2006 05:09:25)

$%*'`[Deep Throat Mole]%*'`@"Pastor Simon" is alleged to have said (words to the effect that) "when people leave RCI they frequently bag individual pastors/house leaders but they are unable to criticise the doctrine" (presumably because it is 100% correct)Not so sure about BI myself!.Deep
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Registered: 28/08/2006

RE:Simon Says
(Date Posted:09/09/2008 06:06:31)

On 7 September 2008 Simon said or is alleged to have said "we are experiencing a drought of baptisms both here in Oz and also in NZ. Of course we are having baptisms in peoples homes and at house meetings."

"Pastor Bruce" said or is alleged to have said "we used to have 400 baptisms a year in the past..............Most assemblies outside of Box Hill are not more than 30 members (the magic Italian camp number!) but you can still have good worship/fellowship with 30 people.

General spruiking for everyone to front up to house meetings and also the 12.15PM prayer meeting at Box Hill.

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Didaktikon
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Registered: 29/08/2007

Reply To D%2DT%2DM
(Date Posted:09/09/2008 20:15:14)

Good morning, Mole.

I've personally visited a number of RCI assemblies where there have been considerably fewer than 30 "folk" in attendance. And the same is true with respect to the RF groups of my acquaintance, too. But I would caution against making assumptions that are based solely on numbers. Consider, the church at Corinth that Paul wrote two rather long and important letters to, was comprised of between 50 and 70 people in total. Not a particularly large number. The church at Philippi had about 30 members. The church at Ephesus comprised approximately 80 members. All of these churches were very, very small by western standards! In point of fact, there was no single fellowship that comprised more than 100 members during the first 250-300 years of the Church's history, the same period of time when Christianity basically "exploded" throughout the Roman Empire!

Personally, I've always been most comfortable in fellowships of about 120 people at "max", as this number best accommodates intimacy and "complete-Body-ministry" (my current church has around 700 people, but meh). So, as far as I'm concerned, larger isn't necessarily better

Blessings,

Ian

P.S. However, when one extrapolates the data across the Revivalist denominations as a whole, it then becomes clear that they're not making much of an impact upon the fabric of society.

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Registered: 01/03/2007

RE:Simon Says
(Date Posted:10/09/2008 02:23:21)



........... Consider, the church at Corinth that Paul wrote two rather long and important letters to, was comprised of between 50 and 70 people in total. Not a particularly large number. The church at Philippi had about 30 members. The church at Ephesus comprised approximately 80 members. All of these churches were very, very small by western standards! In point of fact, there was no single fellowship that comprised more than 100 members during the first 250-300 years of the Church's history, the same period of time when Christianity basically "exploded" throughout the Roman Empire!

Hi Ian,

I am interested in what source you aquired above information. :quizzical:
I have done quite a bit of searching and reading of the seven locations of the early church(s) and found it quite interesting to see what they were like in those ancient times.

Ralph

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Registered: 29/08/2007

Reply To brolga
(Date Posted:10/09/2008 03:01:03)

Ralph,

There have been quite a few published studies (monographs, journals, etc) into the various sizes of the original Pauline churches, and which are based on what we know about the populations of the towns in which they were located, the people whom Paul greeted within the churches, the size of the standard Greco-Roman domus ("house"), etc. You would probably need to access a good theological library to get your hands on them (there's a very good Presbyterian theological college in your neck of the woods, and from memory, it has a good library)

Blessings,

Ian



(Message edited by Didaktikon On 10/09/2008 03:30:54)

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RE:Simon Says
(Date Posted:10/09/2008 04:02:41)

Ian,

I'm not sure where the Presbyterian Theological College is located at the moment, but it could be at the Reformed Theological College in Highton. I know it is afilliated with them and there is a good library at that location. I will make further enquiries tomorrow

Many thanks

Ralph




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Registered: 28/08/2006

RE:Simon Says
(Date Posted:16/09/2008 05:36:10)


The Mole overheard someone saying that the Follow the Star Nativity experience will not be presented this year and neither will the well presented Christmas Carols concerts be held. You may recall that these were held at Frankston and Williamstown last year as well as a presentation at the Box hill Bunker.

The Mole speculates that these have proved to be not cost effective in attracting new punters.

The Mole also wonders whether some poor financial investments may have depleted the church coffers somewhat.

DTM

brolga