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Title: send in the clowns
  
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earth5
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(Date Posted:27/08/2008 18:52:56)

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Send in the clowns where are the clowns, dont worry there here......... Carrikalinga camp,,, these are the "pastors" lol lol lol







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Reply To earth5
(Date Posted:27/08/2008 22:00:52)

E5,

Hardly surprising. If you were to consider the average Revivalist pastor, there aren't too many who would otherwise prove to be "successful" ordinarily. These men aren't, as a rule, numbered among society's "best-and-brightest"!

Blessings,

Ian


(Message edited by Didaktikon On 27/08/2008 23:05:17)

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RE:send in the clowns
(Date Posted:28/08/2008 21:12:11)

Reply to Didaktikon
E5,

Hardly surprising. If you were to consider the average Revivalist pastor, there aren't too many who would otherwise prove to be "successful" ordinarily. These men aren't, as a rule, numbered among society's "best-and-brightest"!

Neither was Peter the apostle but he seemed to make pretty good with a bit of help from the Holy Spirit.Maybe its not the original calibre of the man as much as its good 'Discipling' ??? Uh good discipling - me thinks its a bit of a rare commodity.


(Message edited by Didaktikon on 27/08/2008 21:05:17)
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RE:send in the clowns
(Date Posted:28/08/2008 22:26:03)

 Reply to Glawrey,

Peter studied for 3 years under the best teacher possible, plus the grounding in the scriptures he would have had as he was growing up.   Also the direct promise from Jesus that the third person, the Holy Spirit which he would send from the Father would overwhelm them and be with them and bring to remembrance all that he had taught them, bear witness, glorify Jesus, convict the world of sin and of righteousness...etc.

Just my thoughts on it.

Epi
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Reply To Glawrey
(Date Posted:30/08/2008 00:57:41)

Glawrey,

Neither was Peter the apostle but he seemed to make pretty good with a bit of help from the Holy Spirit. Maybe its not the original calibre of the man as much as its good 'Discipling' ??? Uh good discipling - me thinks its a bit of a rare commodity.

And I think you've well-and-truly missed the point. Epi has summed up the matter perfectly, so I won't rehearse her statements here. However, knowing of your background, have you never noticed the truth to my original statement?! Revivalist pastors aren't well-known for being the sharpest knives in the drawer. And yet in spite of what is often profound ignorance, such men believe themselves capable of critiquing the wisdom, knowledge and learning of others

Interesting,

Ian

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RE:send in the clowns
(Date Posted:30/08/2008 06:44:35)

Reply to Glawrey
Reply to Didaktikon
E5,

Hardly surprising. If you were to consider the average Revivalist pastor, there aren't too many who would otherwise prove to be "successful" ordinarily. These men aren't, as a rule, numbered among society's "best-and-brightest"!

Neither was Peter the apostle but he seemed to make pretty good with a bit of help from the Holy Spirit.Maybe its not the original calibre of the man as much as its good 'Discipling' ??? Uh good discipling - me thinks its a bit of a rare commodity.


(Message edited by Didaktikon on 27/08/2008 21:05:17)

Try shifting your focus from Peter to Paul. Have an indepth look at Paul's life from go to glory and then having done that submit yourself to a good teaching authority somewhere and then nosey into some solid Pauline Theology and then find out who you are and who you can be in God...

The Clowns depicted above would do well if they did likewise. But I guess that's why they make good clowns..

Disciple






(Message edited by Disciple On 30/08/2008 16:52:06)
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Reply To Didaktikon
(Date Posted:30/08/2008 17:11:03)

Reply to Didaktikon

 Revivalist pastors aren't well-known for being the sharpest knives in the drawer. And yet in spite of what is often profound ignorance, such men believe themselves capable of critiquing the wisdom, knowledge and learning of others

Interesting,

Ian


Typical of the "revivalist" paradigm is the focus of so called "dependence and results factor" but never is the "revivalist" focus on the "cost factor". John Calvin once said that sanctification is an event and a process and to that end the "process" can sure cost - in fact everything you have in your mortal earthly life if you were in Paul's shoes....


And correct me if I am wrong but Paul's epistles were penned on parchment before Acts.


blessings


Eric

ps. Ian I found this link http://www.discernment.org/LeavenLakewwood.htm . The author makes this apt observation:

Joel Osteen has absolutely no biblical training or experience to be a pastor.  Charismatic pulpits are filled with people who feel “called” to the pastorate and that is enough for them and those who follow them.  They attempt to build congregations on the “strength” of their calling.  Some charismatic leaders may go on to some unaccredited “Bible School” for a year or two, none (which encompasses a large group of ministers) that we were ever acquainted with attended any legitimate seminary.

Would you allow a surgeon to operate on you because he felt “called” to be a surgeon as a child, but never went on to medical school?  Or would you allow someone to build your house who firmly believed God had called him to be an architect yet had never gone on to college to study architectural design?  Of course not, it would be the height of foolishness!

Yet millions of professing Christians are more than willing to follow a man (or woman) who says “God” has called them and has supernaturally equipped them to be ministers.  These especially anointed men and women have no need to study Church history, hermeneutics, systematic theology and struggle through Greek and Hebrew as other ministers do.  They hear directly from God (this is especially true for the sign-gift pastors, most seeker-sensitive churches are led by seminary educated individuals).

So my first main concern is that we have a man in the pulpit of the largest congregation in America, being beamed around the world that has no biblical education or training for the vocation he says he has!  To me we have a clear case of the blind leading the blind (read Luke 6:39) with the end result being masses of people falling into the ditch of spiritual ignorance, abuse and/or extremism.


.... and the above cut and paste neatly describes the same scenario of the clowns pictured at the top of th