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Sir_Loin
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RE:A message for Simon Longfield
(Date Posted:29/06/2008 23:49:43)
Who cares about choruses?
If people are so concerned about choruses they should buy some CD's and play it during the week.
Choruses dont make a church, or they shouldn't anyway.
One thing I have never understood is why people want to see the financial records or RCI. I know people who have had issues with RCI's finances and left, I just dont understand why?
Why should one care about the finances, RCI has a business side and if it opened up its financial records to the public it could open up a can of worms for many reasons. If people are so concerned about where their money is going then dont tithe, give money to UNICEF or world vision.
These things you mention are peripheral things which dont worry a person who is walking in the spirit.
I think when one guides themselves they no longer need the guidelines. This is the goal of the guidelines, so that the young people are directed in a way thet is good for them, and can guide themselves. The gestapo mentality is a thing of the past and the RCI look to guide moreso than punish. Although their reputation of old lingers, it is not the case anymore.
I think you have been out of the loop for a while my friend.
Concerning B-I, once again I think the individual is able to either make their own decisions, if one wants to study it let them if not thats fine also. I have never heared it preached, which shows just how old your point of view must be, sorry if i sound like im having a go at you, im not.
The RCI is in no danger, so please dont try and make something out of nothing. Every spirit filled person is an individual and we come together collectively, some choose RCI, some choose elsewhere, and it dosent matter where as long as the individual is walking in the spirit and loves the Lord.
By the way I am not Pr Simon.
Thanks
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RE:A message for Simon Longfield
(Date Posted:30/06/2008 00:28:14)
I think when one guides themselves there is no longer need for guidelines.
Reply to Sir-Loin,
I think the RCI world leader, deputy world leader and other pastors are having trouble guiding themselves. They flew in the face of their own guidelines with the recent Duker affair.
Episkopeo
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RE:A message for Simon Longfield
(Date Posted:30/06/2008 00:31:41)
James,
Excellent reply. Good to hear the gestapo thing is on the way out.
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RE:A message for Simon Longfield
(Date Posted:30/06/2008 01:28:59)
The RCI is in no danger, so please dont try and make something out of nothing. Every spirit filled person is an individual and we come together collectively, some choose RCI, some choose elsewhere, and it dosent matter where as long as the individual is walking in the spirit and loves the Lord.
Sir_Loin,
I beg to differ with your statement above. When an organisation proclaims another gospel, as stated in the Bible, there is a grave danger those followers have their minds clouded to the truth and walk not according to the way of the Lord's salvation.
brolga
(Message edited by brolga on 30/06/2008 01:30:12)
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Didaktikon
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Reply To Sir%5FLoin
(Date Posted:30/06/2008 02:07:32)
Hi there, Loin
Who cares about choruses? If people are so concerned about choruses they should buy some CD's and play it during the week. Choruses dont make a church, or they shouldn't anyway.
True enough. But singing is one aspect of Christian corporate praise and worship, and we should care about the types of 'things' we sing. After all, choruses pretty much do function as popular theology for the masses, so we probably should give a rip about what's sung in church.
One thing I have never understood is why people want to see the financial records or RCI. I know people who have had issues with RCI's finances and left, I just dont understand why?
Two reasons: transparency and accountability. Something which apparently is expected to run in only the one direction in the RCI: from the ground up!
Why should one care about the finances, RCI has a business side and if it opened up its financial records to the public it could open up a can of worms for many reasons. If people are so concerned about where their money is going then dont tithe, give money to UNICEF or world vision.
Perhaps there is a very real risk (and concern) that the "flock" might be in the process of being "fleeced"?
These things you mention are peripheral things which dont worry a person who is walking in the spirit.
Okay, so what you're implying is that if a person is concerned about these things, then such a one clearly isn't walking in the Spirit?
I think when one guides themselves they no longer need the guidelines. This is the goal of the guidelines, so that the young people are directed in a way thet is good for them, and can guide themselves. The gestapo mentality is a thing of the past and the RCI look to guide moreso than punish. Although their reputation of old lingers, it is not the case anymore.
Bollocks.
Concerning B-I, once again I think the individual is able to either make their own decisions, if one wants to study it let them if not thats fine also. I have never heared it preached, which shows just how old your point of view must be, sorry if i sound like im having a go at you, im not.
The fact of the matter is this: BI is taken to be "gospel" truth in your fellowship, and the theory underpins a very large part of how your "church" interprets Scripture. As such it simply isn't as incidental as you maintain, it's actually of pivotal importance.
The RCI is in no danger, so please dont try and make something out of nothing. Every spirit filled person is an individual and we come together collectively, some choose RCI, some choose elsewhere, and it dosent matter where as long as the individual is walking in the spirit and loves the Lord.
Again, bollocks. One either is in, and a part of the Church of God, or one isn't. There is no mediating position. The RCI preaches a false gospel, believes and promotes false teachings, and as such has no part in the Body of Christ. You fellows are in considerable danger.
By the way I am not Pr Simon.
And who was it that suggested you were?
Blessings,
Ian
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Sir_Loin
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RE:A message for Simon Longfield
(Date Posted:02/07/2008 02:31:25)
Ian,
I appreciate your reply but it is sad you totally missed the point. You took each part out of context, maybe to get a reply, maybe to annoy me or perhaps because you are an ignoramus, in this instance its all three.
My friend, if people mind their own business and give money to the church like the bible says to then what happens once the money goes into the tithe bag is not of importance. They have given from the heart, to the church, if the church abuses that then thats on them. If people are that worried about where their money is going DONT GIVE IT. Its a simple solution.
If a persons focus is on minor issues like chourses and finances and they get up in arms about them they probably have more have deep seeded issues.
Its all quite simple - as God would have it, and people can complicate their walk by focusing on money, and as we know love of it is the root of all evil, if one makes a churches finances their focus they complicate matters un-necessarily.
The most important thing in this issue of church finances is that it is all based on the assumption that the oversight abuse it.
The RCI never begs or asks for money. Have you ever seen one of those religious shows begging for money and promising blessings from money? well thats thd benchmark and definition of - as you say "fleecing".
So bollocks is all you have to say to my guideline theory? any reasons or does it just hit home too hard and you cant break that one down?
Mate it sounds like you are more clued in on the RCI than me. I thought we used the Holy Spirit to interpret scripture and understand what the bible is saying. To be honest I know next to nothing about BI and it doesnt underpin any of my understanding, the spirit does.
Your correct on one thing though, you are either in or not in the church, that does not mean RCI or any other organisation, when the Lord returns the organisation will not meet him in the air, but many individuals all fellowshipping in organisations and some not fortunate enough to have people to fellowship with, in any case all those doing gods will and walking in the spirit will meet him when he returns, is that wrong?
Just because one belongs to an organisation does not mean they will not meet the lord in the air, its about what they are doing and their mindset as the individual.
I hope you dont fail to understand this post, if so let me know and I can try to draw pictures for you to understand.
Oh and by the way, the topic is "letter to pastor simon" and I didnt want people think I am when im not, so once again I stress I am not pastor simon.
enjoy
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RE:A message for Simon Longfield
(Date Posted:02/07/2008 03:34:38)
One thing I have never understood is why people want to see the financial records or RCI. I know people who have had issues with RCI's finances and left, I just dont understand why?
Fww. I have a friend who used to stay at Simon Longfeild's house as a visitor now and again. At the time Simon was doing some extentions on his house and the comment was made of the very expensive type material he was using. Simon's response was "Well, easy come easy go, while people keep filling the bag, it can only get better"
Now I know this maybe just hearsay, but people who believe their money is used for the "ministry of the church",
have a right to know otherwise. That is why there is a need for financial records to be available to those that want to see.
It is now common knowledge that these type groups squander church money to cater for their own particular coveted lusts.
As for the music, I'm sure the Lord would be using ear plugs.
brolga
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RE:A message for Simon Longfield
(Date Posted:02/07/2008 06:04:04)
Loinster,
Hmmm. Reading your offerings here, I guess it's becoming clearer why it is that you choose to identify with that particular body part/cut of meat: Sir Brains you clearly ain't. Still, probably not all your fault, you are a Revivalist, after all.
Blessings,
Ian
(Message edited by Didaktikon on 02/07/2008 06:08:35)
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