Reply to : Didaktikon  Not true, oh rude one, I sent a reply in another thread that may have helped.

Cheers,

Glad

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Reply to : Johnny_DoeJohnny,Given that no-one's been trying to break down your door over this, I guess you've got your answer.Ian

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Reply to : Johnny_Doe  Hi Johnny_Doe, responded to you in the GRC thread where you also put in a request.

Unfortunately if you scratch D, he doesn't go away, just gets more inflamed and nasty, just like a rash !!!!!!!!!!

Cheers,

Glad

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Doesn't ANYONE have any of the articles that use to be available on Cultweb to pass on.Or know where they are now published.Or who is the webmaster of RC Cultweb Archive, that thy would have access to the files they stored.Does anyone know, able to help. Please.

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Unfortunately if you scratch D, he doesn't go away, just gets more inflamed and nasty, just like a rash !!!!!!!!!!

ha-ha-ha

Bingo!

Glad is not the only one who has issues with D.

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Unfortunately if you scratch D, he doesn't go away, just gets more inflamed and nasty, just like a rash!!!!!!!!!!ha-ha-haBingo!Glad is not the only one who has issues with D.

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Reply to : worriedmumUnfortunately if you scratch D, he doesn't go away, just gets more inflamed and nasty, just like a rash!!!!!!!!!!ha-ha-haBingo!Glad is not the only one who has issues with D.Et tu?! So tell me, are the 'MaliciouslyMalcontent,MostlyMatureMaids' (hereafter 'M5') planning on hijackingeverythread on this forum, and turning them into 'anti-Ian' rants?Issues, issues, issuesIanP.S. NTL, I've made you an honorary member of M5

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Sorry SIR but my gender is Male therefore M5 or reference to 'Maids' would be incorrect. Hijacking every thread seems your pattern. Heres an idea practice what you preach!  

Mean non harm but the rash reference could Not be closer.. BINGO was his NAME-O ! !

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Reply to : Never too LateNTL,Sorry SIR but my gender is Male therefore M5 or reference to 'Maids' would be incorrect.Ha! If theskirtfits...Blessings,Ian

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"Sorry SIR but my gender is Male therefore M5 or reference to 'Maids' would be incorrect. "

Oh, I had a good laugh. Should we also give Ian another nickname, let's say "Pride-and-Prejudice"?

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Reply to : Never too LateNTL,You need to 'chill' a little, girl. I'm just having a bit of fun,you, however, seem waaay to uptightBlessings,Ian

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You really are showing your true colours Ian. What part of wrong gender I am male ,did you have digesting ? I cannot help but notice a couple of typo's and spelling mistakes Ian that's ok ahppens to the best of us.  Although it does not make any of us any dumber  nor does it represent the level of education one has had. !!   

Enjoy brother..

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Reply to : Never too LateNTL,You really are showing your true colours Ian. What part of wrong gender I am male ,did you have digesting ?Oh! That's right. I guess the tone of your whinging confused me for momentI cannot help but notice a couple of typo's and spelling mistakes Ian that's ok ahppens to the best of us. Although it does not make any of us any dumber nor does it represent the level of education one has had. !!Still'smarting', huh? Don't say I didn't warn youBlessings,Ian

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Reply to : Didaktikon  Any chance that the trained theologian / counsellor, unemotive Moderator-in-waiting could show some maturity and stop the rot now !!!

Your constant goading and baiting of people doesn't do your positions as a Major in the Defence Force or Chaplain of the Bapstist church, any justice at all. Your credibility today has been shot to pieces. You,  because of your educative level and standing in the community in general, are supposed to set an example, not the other people posting on the site.

You are behaving like a spoilt child.

Just pull your head in, back off, cool down and log off for awhile!!!!!!!!!

Cheers,

Glad

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Reply to : Never too LateNTL,You really are showing your true colours Ian. What part of wrong gender I am male ,did you have digesting ?Oh! That's right. I guess the tone of your whinging confused me for momentI cannot help but notice a couple of typo's and spelling mistakes Ian that's ok ahppens to the best of us. Although it does not make any of us any dumber nor does it represent the level of education one has had. !!Still'smarting', huh? Don't say I didn't warn youBlessings,Ian

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Funny but I don't reckon it's Ian's credibility that has been shot down here today.

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Funny but I don't reckon it's Ian's credibility that has been shot down here today.

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I think you have a point (and NTL, you seem to be in attack mode)

Hmmm... yes, Ian is as credible as he always has been.... incredibly.

BTW... Johnny Doe, I'm doing everything I can to get the relevant parties to send the contents of the now defunct cultweb site. The owner is being elusive but does have the contents and I'm sure will pass them on when he gets time. I wouldn't be in a rush for it though... but at least they're safe... somewhere.

It's said that God takes people as they are... I'm not sure what that means and I'm not sure what scriptures are used for that. I remember a stupid Revival chorus, "Jesus take me as I am, I can come no other way" (serious cringes typing this). It's a pity people won't accept other people for who they are.

I appreciate where Glad is coming from and admire the intention to make the forum as helpful as possible for the sake and help of others.

Ian's not the enemy here. In fact he's the complete opposite. The enemy is the trappings of oppresive and manipulative thought controlling, life stealing, bloody fundamentalist world-hating muthahugging churches...  - Goddamn Religious Cults - or the GRC for short.

Yer moddy, Lord of the flies. One of the most powerful endings in movie history. I actually worked in sales with one of the actors who was in the original black and white 'Lord of the Flies'. It's all he ever talked about - lol.

Moth

 with all my due respect to you I don't understand your relationship with Didaktikon, because you two seem to get along together better than anyone else here in spite of your very opposing views. You said you are f... tired, and I am also. I cannot post here without attracting Ian's derogatory presumptuous attacks. Nevertheless, since the other thread is blocked I am replying to your post here. I think you got everything wrong. We do not ask Ian to leave, in spite the fact that it was better here without him. Not at all. All we want is some respect, I am speaking on behalf of all who were humiliated by Ian, the same respect that you get! No name calling, no belittling, no derogatory remarks! It is not a laughing matter anymore. Because we do want to engage in DECENT discussion, however, Ian is allowed to put everyone down, while the derogatory remarks back to him are being deleted. How fair is that?

In regards to my presence on this forum, sorry if my atheism offends, but I became an atheist thanks to Revival Fellowship. I had some hopes which went broke due to Ian's tactics to drive most people away: my son does not want to post here anymore. And yes, nothing really changed, he is still under the influence of the RF, that is why I occasionally still come here, but obviously not for much longer as people here are joining "Ian's cult" and the environment is too hostile for a discussion to be healthy.

Unkoolman is dividing the territory, should this be advertised as a SANCTUARY  or a RESERVATION?

Break free

Sorry if I offended you again, but I cannot make sense out of you posts either. Ian helped you and Frank? Great! Frank still attends RF as of today. That was a dramatic change!

Do you know how many people he drove away?!!!

Sorry Johnny_Do for spoiling your thread, I won't say anymore, it's good you got some results, though.

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I was glad to see my post finally got back onto topic.If anyone else can assist with the articles or a suggestion at least, I am in a hurry to accumulate these articles. I am in the process of trying to convince an other of the truths behind the revival centers and their history. And I need to know whats in them too.Cheers

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Dont worry about spoiling the thread. It's gona about as far as it can. The aquiring of those documents is a waiting game now.

with all my due respect to you I don't understand your relationship with Didaktikon, because you two seem to get along together better than anyone else here in spite of your very opposing views.

Tricky isn't it. Perhaps it's because I respect his views... I dunno. As far as Christianity goes I think his take on it makes far more sense than the claptrap I see in all my internet travels. I admit he has a mastery of many tangeants of acadamia and his grasp of English and philosophy is to be envied (this sucking up may possibly score me brownie points too).

The thing is, with Ian, if you work with him, he's an incredible resource and a great online aquaintance. He'll be honest with you and tell you straight up. That can be grating and painful at times, but like Frank said, it's great to get a wake-up call. If you want to take task with something Ian says, it seems he's more than happy to oblige and if you want to check up on the validity of counsellors or related subjects, he's done the research.

You said you are f... tired, and I am also. I cannot post here without attracting Ian's derogatory presumptuous attacks. Nevertheless, since the other thread is blocked I am replying to your post here. I think you got everything wrong. We do not ask Ian to leave, in spite the fact that it was better here without him. Not at all. All we want is some respect, I am speaking on behalf of all who were humiliated by Ian, the same respect that you get! No name calling, no belittling, no derogatory remarks! It is not a laughing matter anymore. Because we do want to engage in DECENT discussion, however, Ian is allowed to put everyone down, while the derogatory remarks back to him are being deleted. How fair is that?

I can guarantee if I was to start rambling on about my own uneducated thoughts on Universalism or worse still 'push' them, he'd be completely in my face and challenging me. I'd expect nothing less. As it stands he labels me for being hypocritical for hosting an atheistic blog site while not actually being an atheist at all. I'm complex (for lack of a better word) like that and although I love laughing at religions and believe the vast majority of them are complete loads of shite, I don't wholly disbelieve there's something behind the bible.

In regards to my presence on this forum, sorry if my atheism offends, but I became an atheist thanks to Revival Fellowship. I had some hopes which went broke due to Ian's tactics to drive most people away: my son does not want to post here anymore. And yes, nothing really changed, he is still under the influence of the RF, that is why I occasionally still come here, but obviously not for much longer as people here are joining "Ian's cult" and the environment is too hostile for a discussion to be healthy.

Believe me, your atheism doesn't offend me... I'm just embarrassed by it in rememberence of all my atheist ramblings I've already scattered all over the forum. I'm sure your son is under influence and I'm completely sure he'd have hated everything Ian has to say. I freaking know that I would have. I would have gone to bed with clenched fists after reading Ians scathing attacks on my beliefs. And I believe your son will continue to be a Revival drone until he recognises the chinks in their doctrinal armour. Atheistic views given to him will be throwing cold water on a hot frying pan. It'll steam and disappear quickly in indignated defiance. Warmer water won't hiss away as fast.

If you know the Revival animal you'll appreciate the huge shift in mindset Frank has taken to get to where he is now from where he was earlier this year. I applaud that and tip my hat with humble respect and awe for his ability to admit he can learn from someone else. The human ego is a powerful and dangerous thing... the male ego seems to be even worse. The matter-of-fact way that Ian dealt with Frank is testament to how you can make a person 'think' about their reality by not humouring them with it.

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Dont worry about spoiling the thread. It's gona about as far as it can. The aquiring of those documents is a waiting game now.with all my due respect to you I don't understand your relationship with Didaktikon, because you two seem to get along together better than anyone else here in spite of your very opposing views.Tricky isn't it. Perhaps it's because I respect his views... I dunno. As far as Christianity goes I think his take on it makes far more sense than the claptrap I see in all my internet travels. I admit he has a mastery of many tangeants of acadamia and his grasp of English and philosophy is to be envied (this sucking up may possibly score me brownie points too).The thing is, with Ian, if you work with him, he's an incredible resource and a great online

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Ian is indeed abrasive. His comments to the effect that Jesus and the Apostles were often the same, had already been gnawing at me for some time before he posted such. For this reason and a whole host of other reasons that is why I apologised to him. Ian is a bit of a fibber about having no soft side. His reply to me was more than I expected or deserved. Thank you Ian. With your razor style you could have slashed away at some vunerable bits of me. And no I won't offer hugs or embraces etc. etc. Would a salute from a junior officer be in order?

Unfortunately Mothandrust is a sycophant and erodes what Ian posts by in too many cases jumping in to attack and defend him. For goodness sake! Ian doesn't need a loony to justify his actions. But it is obvious that Mothandrust is not doing it for that purpose. It is a spite thing. He reminds me of a guy I encountered in recruits in the amy. There was a group that decided to do "initiations". I was their first victim. They then invited me to join in against their next victim. Instead I approached some of the remainder and urged them to put a stop to it. We succeeded. The sad part of my initiation was not the embarrasement, or humiliation, but the fists and kicking I got from men I hardly knew. I told the ringleader that if I ever met him in civvy street I'd redress the wrong. I got my chance many years later. I had been working late and on my way home I stopped in at an all night burger shop. I had ordered my hamburger and was leaning up against the wall and who should walk in but Ross. He ordered his hamburger and turned around. I said "Hello Ross it's been a long time". I paid for my hamburger and waited for him outside. He took a long time to come out. He walked over to his car and I hastened up to him. When he turned around he was shaking. He said something like "well you caught up with me". He was cringing. I said "Ross you're not worth it" and I walked away.

Sharpie gangs in my youth inevitably had a "stooge" who picked the fight for the gang. He was usually weak as piss. What a sad place to be. Weak, bitter and waiting on the peripheral to put that punch or boot in.

Time to grow up Mothandrust. "And Elijah came to all the people and said, 'How long will you falter between two opinions? If the Lord is God follow Him; but if Baal follow him." (1 Kings 18:21). You have more than once posted something to the effect of "If I were to come back to Christianity it would be Ian's way". I would venture that that cuts no ice with Ian, and anyone else with an ounce of judgement pukes.

You change your picture from time to time. I have for some time thought Golum would be the most appropriate.

Having said all of the above I know that bitterness and wallowing in it, allows Satan to show his worst through us. I hope you can see that and shed the sinister persona and actions. I will pray for you and urge others to do the same.

John

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Reply to : MothandRustDont worry about spoiling the thread. It's gona about as far as it can. The aquiring of those documents is a waiting game now.with all my due respect to you I don't understand your relationship with Didaktikon, because you two seem to get along together better than anyone else here in spite of your very opposing views.Tricky isn't it. Perhaps it's because I respect his views... I dunno. As far as Christianity goes I think his take on it makes far more sense than the claptrap I see in all my internet travels. I admit he has a mastery of many tangeants of acadamia and his grasp of English and philosophy is to be envied (this sucking up may possibly score me brownie points too).The thing is, with Ian, if you work with him, he's an incredible resource and a great online

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Why, thank you very much Fremde for your personal and perhaps judgemental evaluation of me, but why not? I expect, wait and hope for it... any publicity is good publicity for the compulsive obsessive loony attention seekers. I know how much fun it is to try and kick someone in the gut online... or at least throw some water over Daffy Duck's back. It's been a while since I did a personality test... the last time I did one of facebook's tests I was the manager from The Office...lol... damn, I hate that guy.

I don't get your 'spite' reference though. I have no spite for anyone on the board apart from... well, there's no one on the board at the moment who I feel spiteful to. Perhaps you a little bit... because you seem like a bit of a wank, but the written word and online personas we use can easily give a wrong impression of people. I'm sure you're a nice guy who wishes the best for me but feels the need to make me aware of my inadequacies and shortcomings. I've already got a list of them I'm working through.

I've defended Ian fully knowing well that he doesn't need me to, but felt he needed support against the barrage of negativity... and support for which he told me in a private message (PM) was very much appreciated. He's a nice guy to we igors, but cutting ice with him... I really don't care what he thinks of me. Why should I? He's not my authority... I'll not make more money... but I do hope to help others make sense of his work when they simply don't seem to understand. Remember when he criticised the culty counselors who were themselves were insistent on 'battling' the GRC? The naysayers couldn't understand why this isn't what counsellors should be doing... not under that guise.

Oh, and I couldn't care if judgemental types puke at my indifference to Christianity or my agnostic/Universalist leanings. Puke away I say. I have very little respect for the deranged Sunday Christian with their arm up in the air, other hand in the wallet, and eyes and minds closed, and I would never come back to any type of organisation full of row sitting Sunday church goers. Far too many mental Christians sitting amongst the very few who have brains of their own. No offence to you, I'm sure you're reasonable... just a tad wankerish, but everyone needs to metaphorically masturbate now and then.

Nice Saturday morning rant. Back to work.

Are we going to talk more about me now than Ian? Finally? Pray for me? Go for it.. but make sure you put in a word for starving children before you waste you time chanting for me. heh.

More please. Oh, and I'm back, this guy's convinced me I'm needed here.

Happy now Libby? pmsl.

Reply to : Anonymous .

I think you have the right man. But just to confirm... He asked Scott where his father served during the was and he said North Africa, to which he replied "we might have shot at one another". Scott of course later went on to make an epic story of this encounter. By the way, he got the job as swim instructor... I seem to remember Scott bringing out a photo album with a picture of his father in desert uniform. Do your findings have his father in North Africa during the war?

The brief summary of his records that I requested indicates that Williams served in the AIF from 23 January 1942, until 30 October 1945 (spanning LT to CAPT in RASigs). I didn't ask for his complete Service record, so I can't comment on whether he served in North Africa or not, although the fact that he was in the AIF is suggestive that he did.

Blessings,

Ian

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Reply to : Glad-to be outHang on. Ian doesn't post here as a Major in the Army or a Chaplain or anything but just another ex-Revivalist. Get off your high horse and stop blaming him for your own immature carrying on. Aren't you the one that started all this to begin with?

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'Glad',

Any chance that the trained theologian / counsellor, unemotive Moderator-in-waiting could show some maturity and stop the rot now !!!

Or, is there any chance that a woman of your years (and, therefore, supposed maturity) could do likewise, thereby keeping your word, given earlier? Hmmm?

Your constant goading and baiting of people doesn't do your positions as a Major in the Defence Force or Chaplain of the Bapstist church, any justice at all. Your credibility today has been shot to pieces. You,  because of your educative level and standing in the community in general, are supposed to set an example, not the other people posting on the site.

Well, well, well. Isn't it interesting, but I don't visit this site, engage with others at this site, or minister after my fashion at this site, in my 'professional'/occupational capacity. I'm here as Ian, pure and simple. Next, what on earth gave you the impression that I was some sort of 'chaplain', whether Baptist or otherwise? I'm neither: a chaplain nor a Baptist. Further, where on earth did you come up with the 'codswallop' notion that my occupation, my education or my supposed position within 'society' somehow prohibits me from doing what I do here?! Eh? What a riot!

My credibility, such as it is, remains intact. Your own, however, appears to be in tatters. And, sadly, it seems that I was correct in my earlier assessment of you. Clearly you are, at heart, a malicious person

You are behaving like a spoilt child.

And YOU, m'dear, have clearly shown yourself to be quite the hypocrite  

Just pull your head in, back off, cool down and log off for awhile!!!!!!!!!

And here is a thought which has already been put forward: why don't you take a long, hard and close look in a mirror. You seem intent on blaming me for your personal failings, your personal lack of maturity, and your personal inability to accept responsibility for your actions.

Try reflecting a little on the implications of this, and then repent.

Blessings,

Ian

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Reply to : Anonymous .I think you have the right man. But just to confirm... He asked Scott where his father served during the was and he said North Africa, to which he replied "we might have shot at one another". Scott of course later went on to make an epic story of this encounter. By the way, he got the job as swim instructor... I seem to remember Scott bringing out a photo album with a picture of his father in desert uniform. Do your findings have his father in North Africa during the war?The brief summary of his records that I requested indicates that Williams served in the AIF from 23 January 1942, until 30 October 1945 (spanning LT to CAPT in RASigs). I didn't ask for his complete Service record, so I can't comment on whether he served in North Africa or not, although the fact that hewasin the AIF is suggestive t

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Anon,

I was asked to provide a little information on an unfounded claim that Scott Williams had made about his father's military past. But if this is the best in the way of clutching-at-straws pettyness that you're capable of, well, I probably won't hold my breath waiting out for something more involved, or more mature 

Blessings,

Ian

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Pete,

What a complete waste of time and effort the last odd day has proven to be (and an instructive object lesson in human-ness in the fallen state). Oh, well...

Keep the chin up, bud!

Blessings,

Ian

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Mothwith all my due respect to you I don't understand your relationship with Didaktikon, because you two seem to get along together better than anyone else here in spite of your very opposing views. You said you are f... tired, and I am also. I cannot post here without attracting Ian'sderogatory presumptuous attacks. Nevertheless, since the other thread is blocked I am replying to your post here. I think you got everything wrong. We do not ask Ian to leave, in spite the fact that it was better here without him. Not at all. All

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what dont you understand? feel free to ask and id be more than happy to explain in more detail.

as to my comments on ian helping frank- as moth has already said, go read his earlier posts, or maybe you could ask him to tell you about it.

i didnt mention anyone else because i was trying to list people who are here on the site you can talk to anytime, but ask anyone who went to the please concider site how much that has helped them, well thats ians site (supprise) i doubt ian knows just how many people he has helped with that site alone.

i wouldnt know how many people have left the forum because of ian or if anyone has, most of the people who stop coming here do so because they nolonger need to be here- and that is a good thing, a healthy thing.

not sure why you keep going on about people not liking you because youre an athiest, its certanly not why i dont like you and i doubt it has anything to do with how other people think about you, if you havent noticed yet there is a wide range of religious belifes here altho the larger part probably is some form of christianity, so get over it- prehaps if you started treating other people with respect you might get some back.

your son wouldnt like anyone who tries to confront his revival mindset, so of course he doesnt like ian- he wouldnt like him even if he was the nicest person in the whole world! because what he has to say about your sons belifes is confronting- and yet he is still possibly the one person on this forum who could help break through all the crap your son belives in.

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Reply to : MothandRustPete,What a complete waste of time and effort the last odd day has proven to be (and an instructive object lesson in human-ness in the fallen state). Oh, well...Keep the chin up, bud!Blessings,Ian

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My thoughts exactly... (at risk of looking to be agreeing with you again) and, as earth5 just mentioned in the shoutbox, hopefully it's out of everyone's system. We don't have to agree but we can all find some common ground and move forward and away from uncomfortable finger pointing.

No need for any bad blood; I luvs ya passion Glad and thanks for stirring the pot. It has been fun on some level.

Worriedmum, gotta keep on keeping on and NTL, I'm sorry the vibe had gone prickly in here. Please do make use of the support rooms within the forum and have a chat. Build the baseball green and they will come... they will come.

Peace  even to that Fremde guy.

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They need all the help and support that they can get at this time of need. Not as Glad said,having complicated scripture thrown at them. Just because this sort of reading interests you Mothy.It doesn't have to be every bodies cup of tea.

You might be stimulated by "Ian's" arrogance and his very clever putdown's( as only  he see's it) to all of us. And I know a lot of what is said on the G.R.C. forum has got up your nose.( The repeated agony of what goes on within the G.R.C.) And maybe that can be to a stimulated brain like yours.

He is loosing many points with this sort of attitude.( not that he would care) and that is the frustrating part about this man ( of the cloth) cause he could be a likeable chap if he came over  with a different manner.

His offending manner to poor" Woorymum" is disgusting to say the least.Though I do read what he is getting at. But his manner is not good.And that is what most of us do not... LIKE...

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Well, I would like to make a public apology, due to a scathing dressing down from the Very Merry Morning Sunshine. I accused Morning Sunshine of poor spelling ability when I was searching for dribble to list in my Saturday morning rant. There's no way she was as undisciplined as Wazza was and I"m not sure if anyone could be. It must have been your penchant for avoiding spaces between sentences that bugged my OCD tendencies. You have a dislike for the space bar... what's up with that? Looking through your last two posts, you don't actually make tooooo many more typos than I do, so kudos to you, Sunshine Gal. Your reputation is as it was, whatever that was.

This isn't an academic site and it's not fair to criticise the spelling and grammar of others. It just makes your own to be all the more embarrassing. Are there two Rs and Ss in embarrassing? I gather from your previous messages that it's not good to lose points with you and such a thing can lead to consequences... well... oh! and you said I make as many mistakes as you do? Check out your many sentences that start with conjuctions and the unnecessary apostrophes. This is all very petty stuff, but if it concerns you so much then let's address it. Why not?

The rest of your private message I'll get to later on. I'm too tired at the moment. Up working late again.

Well, is the rambling still on?

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What I don't understand.

Why do you have "blame the victim" attitude after years of counselling the victims of domestic violence? What sort of training did you have?

Why do you find me offensive and not Ian? Why do you defend Ian? Why do you attack me with Ian's words? You could talk from your own point of view, if you have one?

Do you believe that you really have nothing to learn from me? I do learn from the most of you. I think we all are learning something here from each other. Ian definitely is the one who will never learn. He is having fun here putting people down for their believes in all this "crap". Have you ever read Please consider site? I have. If you ask me, the crap that Ian believes in is not much better, than RF's. In addition to that, why do all of you credit Ian for that site, when he was not the only one who developed it? What about Drew?

Once again, my son disliked Ian not for attacking revivalist teachings, but for his general arrogance and rudeness. Unfortunately, this all fits into the description of Ian, which my son received at RF prior to reading this forum, and that was it. He is not interested to post his questions here.

Very, very sad.

In the end, well it is only my humble opinion, though many people probably will occasionally nod their heads reading it. This site is a great support for ex-revivalists, just wondering how many newbies we have received since Ian appeared here and how many more we could have without Ian's "military regime"? (I find that with you I have to repeat myself sometimes.)

Since we will have Ian-free forums, it may provide some relief: I feel sorry, the other ones still will have to suffer from Ian's mid life crisis.

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worried mum

i dont have a "blame the victim" attitude, however ido belive that we all have to take responcibility for our lives and our choices.

it is too easy to say "this" happened to me, "this" person hurt me so now its all their fault. or as you are doing, blaming it all on god. untill you take control of your life and take respocnibility for your choices and actions you will always be a victim- is that how you want to live your life?

i have been a vicim, i have been a survivor, now i just want to be free.

prahaps in time iwill come to like you more and appreciate at least some of what you have to say, and iadmit my oppinion of you is coloured but the impression you have given me from the way you spoke to and about people- as you already know.

i think given how you have attacked and belittled other people, their belifes and cultures it is extreamly hypercritical of you to then complain about ian which is why i directed what i had to say to you and not to any of the other people complaining about ian.

i like and respect ian- you dont have to agree with me, infact it is our differences that makes people so interesting.

i am well aware that the please concider site was a joint project between drew and ian, but drew isnt who we are talking about and collaberating with drew in no way takes away from the good ian has done with the site.

you are perfectly entitled to you oppinion that the information on the site is crap, but you should still treat people with respect.

if you want to talk about the bible and christianity ian will jump in, that is why he was asked to be here.

i dont belive ian is arrogant, he isnt as nice as some people here would like and he has alot of confidence and when people start attacking him he does retaliate- so what he is human, no one is perfect we all have faults.

since you and i obviously have a personality clash i think it would be more appropriate for us to continute this privately- who knows maybe that way we might find some common ground and a new appreciation of eachother?