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(Date Posted:17/04/2007 09:44:46)
Hey there sister,
It is so refreshing to hear that you have been Liberated. If you dont mind, I am not going to give you a great theology, but ill just share my experience.:
I always felt close to the Lord, despite my parents not being involved in any church group at the time of my birth. My mother was barren but gave birth to me at age 41 (similar to many great people in the O.T). We started going to the world wide church of God when I was about 5 or 6 (a church similar to the seventh day adventist faith) I loved learning about Jesus and making friends here, but hated the laws. My parents marrage was on the rocks and my dad started going to the revival centre. I was speaking to my dad one morning and he told me about the Holy Spirit, he said I would speak in tongues when I got it and that I had to say helelujah to get it. I said the word, the holy spirit fell and, like you, i spoke in tongues. my dad didnt have the experience and I never heard anyone do it before, I didnt feel very diferent. mum and dad got a divorce. we moved from geelong to the central coast and mum started going to the revival fellowship. I was about 11.
I never had a relationship with the lord throughout my teenage life, I was just a church goer. I started going to uni when I turned 20 and met other tongue speakers from different groups. I was aggressive in my arguements amd tight in my theology but was overwhelmed by the unconditional love these people had for me. Nothing changed in my mind. I was living in newcastle.
In my 3rd year a friend of mine from the revival fellowship moved to newcastle from canberra. He was feared by the leadership. The spirit was on this guy, he spoke of diligence. He was pesecuyed by the leadership for being superspiritual. THE SPIRIT OF GOD MOVED LIKE I HAD NEVER SEEN. It was like out of the book of acts and the leadership just got angrier and angrier. This guy moved away, the fire died down in many, new converts stopped attending. But I was so hungry for the fire of God.
in 4th year uni I was so troubled by the scriptures i read about justification through faith and salvation through belief in Jesus that I begun a comprehensive study. I was being convinced by a study of the scriptures that was uninfluenced by any association that salvation comes through faith in Christ. I also initiated with others at uni an interdenominational intecessory prayer team. I recieved much love from this team and much rebuke from the church I attended. I tried so hard to leave, asking many pastors from other churches about how to do so but always was told to stay untill Jesus said to go. I moved to port macquarie in with my mum and attended the RF where I loved the group and the pastor. I still was persecuted for praying louder than normal. However, the members still loved me and I them. One prayer meeting jesus told me to go outside where he told me to turn to a few scriptures and then said to leave immediatley. I left.
while at port macquarie jesus begun speaking to me, Ill paste the story of what He instructed me to do and how he instructed me:
Last year God instructed me to become His servant in the country of Thailand. I am not sure as to what Ministry to move into, but I am thinking that He would use me as an evangelist. God instructed me about these things in four ways: in vision; by His voice coming to me; by other Christians; and by physical phenomena.
In 2003 Paul, my friend from high school took me on a holiday to Thailand for my 21st birthday. Over there, I saw the need for both aid and mission. I felt a great compassion for the people of Thailand. Paul was not a Christian. Both he and I had encounters with God on our second last night.
Towards the end of 2006 God begun to speak clearly to me about Thailand. I was prac teaching in a school in Port Macquarie. The school has a time of worship and devotion, in this time I fell into a vision whilst a song was being sung by the staff with the words: into the river I will wade, where my sins are washed away, I will rise from waters deep into the saving arms of God. The vision displayed me standing waist deep in a river in Thailand, baptising a man. He had 75-100 Thai people behind him waiting to be baptised also.
In 2006, God begun instructing me to read specific scriptures. Each scripture would be relevant to my life situation. I found this amazing, as I did not know these scriptures! For example He would say ?turn to Isaiah 56:8', I would find it speaking directly into my life. I knew that this was the voice of the creator of the universe speaking directly to me!
One morning, instead of telling me a scripture, He told me a date. The date was January the 15th 2007. It was on this date when I met Rachael Jones: a woman who just married a Thai man and will move to Thailand in six months to serve the Lord. I shared my visions with her and she was excited to hear about it, she encouraged me to pursue a qualification from a bible college.
Another morning around the time God told me of the date (somewhere in November 2006), He told me to pick up a national geographic and turn to page 13. Page thirteen displayed a map of Thailand on the whole page. The voice then said ?this is the country I am sending you to'. I began to thank God about this.
The next encounter came at the national youngies camp with the revival fellowship in January. I was feeling bad for being told off for doing something stupid and walked out of the meeting to pray. I walked to a grassy hill. I begun to pray out some psalms from the Bible and the voice of God came to me again, it said ?behind you is a row of many flags, the first one is the flag of the country I am sending you to'. I turned around and approached the flags but could not see the flags as there was no wind to prop them up. I cried in my heart to God and said ?how can I know which country you are sending me to unless I can see the flag'. Then, as I said that prayer, the first flag and the first flag only begun to blow in the breeze. Jumping up and down I begun to thank God for his greatness. Then I realised that I didn't even know what the Thai flag is. I took note of the flag and remembered that it had red on the top and bottom, white and then blue in the middle. The next night a brother from Cambodia confirmed this flag to be the flag of Thailand.
After these messages from God, I am convinced he desires for me to serve Him in Thailand.
I now attend a local clc church and am being transformed into the person Jesus wants me to become.
I appologise for the legnthy reading, but thats it. I hope you enjoyed my testimony and poor grammer -ha. May the Lord Jesus use this to build and stregnthen His glorious kingdom in your heart and transform you into a vessel completley devoted to His service.
-Joshua Barnett.
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(Date Posted:17/04/2007 10:16:01)
Reply to Shiner:
Thanks for sharing your story. Great to see a lot of text... I love a decently sized post.Good thoughts on tongues Shiner. If only people were'nt so scared to think outside of the box and open their eyes to the possibility that god is bigger than the doctrine they've boxed him into.
I was watching the documentary series last night, "I Shouldn't be alive", and it was about five people stranded on a raft in shark infested waters. One of the unfortunate people who died went completely mad before she passed away. She began doing some sort of 'tai chi' and attacking the other people before madly speaking in tongues and dying in her sleep. I think once we start promoting 'ecstatic speech' as a good hobby we descend into the shadows of such madness. Talking to yourself, talking back to yourself, talking in lunatic gibberish are signs of mental problems.. well, in my opinion anyway. I was that mental for a good 17 years.
The voice then said 'this is the country I am sending you to'. I began to thank God about this.
I hear a lot of christians (my sister included) that say they hear a distinct audible voice from god, but when questioned further they admit it's just a result of separating the actual thoughts in their head into what the believe are coming from god. That too seems like a descent into madness as much as tongues. Some Christians will completely defend the audible voice thing... which really seems worrying to me.
Moth:
From Catholic to RCI to RF to Baptist/Aog to atheist/agnostic/universalist.
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(Date Posted:17/04/2007 10:21:54)
Reply to : Shining for Jesus
Hi S4J,
I want to thank you for being so honest and open about your life. The forum is a good place to share our stories - the good, the bad and the ugly. I have shed a few tears over your story so far. It can be part of a cleansing and healing process to share our journeys with each other without being afraid of judgement. I'll await the next instalment with anticipation. Keep on shining girl - shine your light for Jesus!! 
Love from your sister in Christ,
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(Date Posted:17/04/2007 11:25:51)
Reply to : Shining for Jesus
Haven't read all your posts been a bit busy but wow, so have you.
Can I ask who is PK.?
Just as I write it I think it dawnwd on me , slow Queenslander. In more ways than way one !!!!!!! Hey troops.
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(Date Posted:17/04/2007 11:39:06)
Hi Franks Ghost!  PK is the head pastor of Perth. His nickname amongst Revivalite's is PK. I think he'll be able to handle the fact that I'm mentioning him on here. If not-...let's just change all the PK's to " a Pastor". mmmmm hahahahahha
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(Date Posted:17/04/2007 12:43:47)
Reply to : Shining for Jesus
Peripherals...Bible Numerics, British Israel, The Great Pyramid, Adam and Eve, the flood (local or world-wide), the thief on the cross (saved or not.)Now, my point is... Why even teach these peripherals? I think they are a cause of contention to people. I have told this to PK who does not agree with me. He said Revivalneededto take a stand on these issues, because they'd seem foolish if they didn't. Well- I think the opposite is true- they seem foolishby taking the stand for these non- essential issues.He said it's ok that I don't believe in their peripherals but I mustnotdiscuss my views and concerns with anybody but him and my husband. He said I was not even to talk to my friends about them.
Hi S for J, sister, why did I jump to the conclusion you were a brother? Never mind there are no differences, we are all Gods children.It's good to read how you have found your wayout of the web of myths and confusion, into the light of truth, without losing your faith, as saddly , so many have.
God bless.
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(Date Posted:17/04/2007 12:47:32)
Reply to : Shining for Jesus
The bottom line (I've got a lot of bottom line points!) ...is that nobody knows 100%(- except God-) that the flood was local-... people especially don't know 100% that people were created before Adam and Eve! ....No one knows 100% that Jesus was being sarcastic to that thief on the cross!- (and therefore he wasn't saved)(-note#this is what Revival teaches.).etc. So please just give ya strong stance on peripheral's up. Why does one have to take a stand on these issues? I think they have nothing to do with salvation.
They believe they know 100% about all these things. I used to love thinking I held onto the hidden secrets that only Revivalists truly knew. They were the fun things I actually looked forward to hearing about and talking about. All the other fruits, gifts and dos and don'ts stuff was 'boring as!', but hey, perhaps Revivalist talks were usually boring in general and we needed to spice things up with irreverancy. Talks at other churches were always ten times better and more interesting/entertaining to listen to. Actual 'skilled' speakers in the mainstream churches with more rounded education - go figure. They're as bad as the Jehovah Witnesses when it comes to such arrogance on all the little peripheral topics. They build this shoddy foundation of tongues and in turn they make a precedant to build an even shoddier house of peripheral doctrines on top of it.
Of course no one knows 100% that there is an actual sky daddy (but that won't stop everyone insisting that he does). I for one, am not truly sure I believe in The invisible pink unicorn (bless her cotton socks), but I'd hate to live my life as if she didn't exist only to find out that she did exist and that I should have been burning my used hankies in honour of her.
Your peripheral list, that is probably not considered peripheral, concerning abortion, homosexuality, drugs etc. all seem to come across as things you 'know' are true. Fair enough; I dig that they are your opinions; you're entitled to them; this is your thread. I would love to respond to each one of them with my devil's advocacy clause... but I'll keep that for my blog... or another thread.
PK is invited to speak his mind on the forum (Pastor Khulman?) as long as he doesn't get all GWM on our asses and stay too long. Gawd, I doubt he will though... SOTT would crucify him (well, not crucify, that's far too messy and martyry).
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(Date Posted:17/04/2007 12:59:13)
Reply to : Shining for Jesus
One interesting comment I've heard comedirectly from PK's mouth... He was trying to talk my brother into staying at Revival- He wanted to leave because he had a problem with their "peripheral" ideas. (a note on those peripherals in a moment...) Anyway PK said ,"It is evil to leave Revival fellowship." Ooooohhhh , that is a very strong comment. I also met an ex-Revivalite who said that PK had said to her that if she left Revival she would go to hell. Well I didn't see/ him say that one- but I believe it's definitely possible- as it's similar to the comment he said to my bro. That person said they are happily serving God at another church. If he did really say that- I thinkthat isa terrible judgement to put on someone! ( The person was not doing anything worthy of the comment-( not big- out-of-fellowship-type-sins )
We had a brother here in NL give a talk last week were he effectively said that by leaving Revival Fellowship that they were no longer saved because if they cant get on with the saints on earth how will they get on with the saints in heaven. It was all directed at the recent putting out of GA and I have heard that his wife who had been still coming has written a letter of resignation to the oversight as a result. We had WS here on Sinday and he said that under no circumstances must we speak to email or associate with the people who have gone .
I know a lot of us here are amazed at what is happening these people are our friends and have been an key part of our assembly since it began. I am not surprised that PK has said this the brother who gave the talk here is originally from Perth. I believe that the lord is coming back for the bride which is made up of many individuals not for a group or a nation. I fellowship her because I thought we where of like minds. I am begining to wonder
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(Date Posted:17/04/2007 14:08:31)
PK is Pastor Kevin Quirk- not Kuhlman everyone except a minority know who I'm talking about- so there! PK is him.
Hey moth and rust, thanks for being respectful of my peripheral list hahahhaha abortion etc.... I'm glad u wont start up a big rant against my beliefs on here! Thankyou. I will read your responses on another thread though. I give u permission to pull apart everything I've posted.... but please be as gentle as u can!!!! I am open to correction.
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(Date Posted:17/04/2007 14:46:02)
I think I might have finished my main points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yay. Well finished for today anyway. I look forward to hearing from any person that wants to comment on anything I've written. Please just be nice-!!! Thanks, bye for now.
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(Date Posted:17/04/2007 15:07:47)
Reply to : Shining for Jesus
I think I might have finished my main points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yay. Well finished for today anyway. I look forward to hearing from any person that wants to comment on anything I've written. Please just be nice-!!! Thanks, bye for now.
You covered so much stuff and it was great reading. Thanks!
Ive seen some interesting meetings where we all pray "in tongues" around a person seeking for it...and they are told to say hallelujah,hallelujah over and over, sometimes for hours.!!! I mean come on- Where is there an example of anybody in the Bible doing that?? mmmmm no where.
You're right. This is NOT a scriptural practice. It's a peer pressured system of influence where the desire to be one of the pack encourages new members to take on a learned experience of tongue mimicry. The heart and the tongue are two very separate organs and not to be confused. Anyone can speak in tongues with enough practice. As for prayer and fasting, I think revivalists would find the following article very interesting.
Prayer and fasting... Can we see those scriptures again?
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(Date Posted:17/04/2007 15:15:17)
Moth, u crack me up!!!! Tell me when u've taken apart my testimony!!! And also- is mt testimony even in the right section??? I'm still tryin to figure out my way round on this site!
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(Date Posted:17/04/2007 15:36:28)
Reply to : Shining for Jesus
Moth, u crack me up!!!! Tell me when u've taken apart my testimony!!! And also- is mt testimony even in the right section??? I'm still tryin to figure out my way round on this site!
No, it's not in the right place but that's ok, it'll be put in the Introductions and Stories down the track sometime.
Why did paul say he was glad he could do it more than others. My take on it is that the expression we now see as tongues was originally meant as simply languages. Paul lived in a region of many many different races and dialects... when writing to his churches and buddies, he had to give instructions as to the best way they could deliver their gospel. It was important to speak in many dialects to preach it.
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(Date Posted:17/04/2007 16:34:00)
Reply to : Shining for Jesus
I only read a few of your posts...but...
Potter's House, UPC, Hope of God, Revival Fellowship...
Sweetheart, you seem to have visited every tongues/Pente cult around. Have you ever asked yourself what it was abut these groups that attracted you? Their black and white nature? Their zeal and energy? Their sense of certainty? It may be worth asking yourself.
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(Date Posted:17/04/2007 16:37:41)
Reply to : Shining for Jesus
mmmm-thanks mmmmoth.that sounds interesting. It could be the right interpretation. (about tongues and Paul)Ramblings...NOTE# I really wish that when people translate the bible they would change the silly old fashioned word "tongues" to languages. Hello! !!!!!Why update every other word but that one-?? And they need to kick the word "unknown" out too.A REVIVALIST...Hi, do u speak in languages? U need to speak in languages as evidence of receiving the Holy Spirit! It just doesnt have that same weirdo- mysterious- ring to it- does it? OOOooooohhhh tongues...
Hi again
There must be many many of us who no longer believe we recieved the true gift of tongues, but were victims of a con trick, auto suggestion, or whatever. But still love and serve the Lord. It is as Moth says , people recieved languages tin order to do the work of an evangelist, and people are still gifted with languages today, and all the other gifts too, some this gift , some another, in order to strengthen the body of Christ. I would realy have been impressed if I had recieved a useful language, that I could communicate with , but I've never heard of that happening in revival circles. My study Bible tells me that the greek word used meant "dialects " of known languages, and that 's what I believenow.
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(Date Posted:17/04/2007 16:49:11)
Thanks old holborn fro your reply! Do u personally know of anyone who really speaks in another real language- that God gave them?
...?That really can be interpreted by someone who really knows what they are saying? Who here believes that the people speaking in real 'tongues" as shown in the Bible... really understood what they said? Who thinks they didn't? Is everyone following/understanding my questions? hahah
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(Date Posted:17/04/2007 17:14:03)
Reply to : Shining for Jesus
Thanks old holborn fro your reply!Do u personally know of anyone who really speaks in another real language- that God gave them?...?That really can be interpreted by someone whoreallyknows what they are saying? Who here believes that the people speaking in real 'tongues" as shown in the Bible... really understood what they said? Who thinks they didn't? Is everyone following/understanding my questions? hahah
Methinks you have misunderstood me. Iwas trying to say that I never met, or heard of any one recieving a recognised language when they"recieved " the Holy Spirit. Mind you, I could be wrong, It would be interesting to hear from anyone who that happened to. But many people have a gift for learning languages, a talent , if you like, that I dont have, or many others. And put it to good use preaching the gospel.building up and increasing the body.
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(Date Posted:17/04/2007 17:23:13)
It is as Moth says , people recieved languages tin order to do the work of an evangelist, and people are still gifted with languages today,
So u think that the tongues that were given on the day of Pentecost were real languages ( I agree with that)... then do u believe they kept their specific language that God gave them- and used it to preach to the world.???
And also believe Paul got languages from God, so that he could preach to the world???
And also believe that some people-eg some Corinthians, also received a real language that they could use to preach to the world??
If yes- Did they all know what they were saying themselves?--- and why did Paul tell them to pray for the gift of interpretation.
Please everyone spell out your beliefs on this... walk me thru your ideas... please?!
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(Date Posted:17/04/2007 17:50:14)
Reply to : Shining for Jesus
It is as Moth says , people recieved languages tin order to do the work of an evangelist, and people are still gifted with languages today,So u think that the tongues that were given on the day of Pentecost were real languages ( I agree with that)... then do u believe they kept their specific language that God gave them- and used it to preach to the world.???And also believe Paul got languages from God, so that he could preach to the world???And also believe that some people-eg some Corinthians, also received a real language that they could use to preach to the world??If yes- Did they all know what they were saying themselves?--- and why di
Well I'm not an expert, but I do think that the language, or dialect given, would have been kept ,so that they could tell neihgbouring, foriegn people, or visitors the good news. Makes sense to me. Same with Paul. I also think that they would have had to know what they were saying to people, in order to converse, and explain, it could'nt just be one way. Likewise with interpretation in the meetings,when foriegn christians visited, which they would do more and more as the church grew, interpreters would become more and more nescessary, presumably We'll have to get Sott1 to give us his more learned opinion. |Come in Sotty 
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(Date Posted:17/04/2007 17:55:06)
hi shining for jesus, its nice to have someone else from perth here
i left a few years befor you joind the rf so we wouldnt have met, but id love chatt some time- feel free to pm me or write to my email add
and welcome to the forum looks like your fitting in already
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(Date Posted:18/04/2007 02:27:44)
Reply to : Shining for Jesus
Hi, SFJ.
It took a while, but the penny 'dropped' re: your identity after I read your entire testimony 
Well, I must say, you seem to have made a much faster 'recovery' from your Revivalist experience than most that I've come across--kudos to you!
If I may, I'd like to briefly touch on a few points that you briefly mentioned, one of which was taken up by one or two others. First, I'm not so sure that we can consider the 'thief on the cross' incident as being a 'peripheral' issue. That particular dominical saying clearly refutes not only the Revivalist position on salvation, but also it's quirky belief in 'soul sleep'. So I think it to be quite an important issue. Further, I can also assure you that Jesus wasn't being anything other than completely up-front and sincere when he promised the repentant crucified 'thief' that he would be with him in God's presence that day. Assurance is a wonderful thing 
Second, there is nothing in Scripture that teaches, hints or alludes to the (Corinthian) gift of 'tongues' as being a language whose purpose and function was evangelism. And, of course, it isn't presented as being the same as the miracle of languages that one finds in the book of Acts (but you clearly know as much already).
Sister, you seem to have your head screwed on remarkably well!
God bless,
Ian
P.S. Did you get my response to your email of a couple of weeks ago?
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(Date Posted:18/04/2007 02:35:56)
Reply to : old holborn
'morning, old bloke.
Well I'm not an expert, but I do think that the language, or dialect given, would have been kept ,so that they could tell neihgbouring, foriegn people, or visitors the good news.
Nuh, uh 
Makes sense to me. Same with Paul. I also think that they would have had to know what they were saying to people, in order to converse, and explain, it could'nt just be one way.
The 'entire world' (i.e. the 'mission field' of the first three centuries was bi-lingual: everyone spoke Greek as well as their particular ethnic/geographical languages. Such was the lasting legacy of Alexander the Great's empire. Consequently, it didn't matter where Paul went, he was clearly understood by all that he spoke to.
Likewise with interpretation in the meetings,when foriegn christians visited, which they would do more and more as the church grew, interpreters would become more and more nescessary
Again, 'nope'. Neither 'tongues' nor the 'interpretation of tongues' functioned after the fashion you've described above. First, that's not how Paul describes their use, and second, there was no need given that Greek was the lingua franca spoken by everyone at the time from North Africa to India
Blessings,
Ian
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(Date Posted:18/04/2007 05:43:33)
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(Date Posted:18/04/2007 05:57:29)
Reply to : Shining for Jesus
SFJ,
Sott please e-mail me with all the info u know about tongues- and then I'll read it and probably have 1000 questions-- is that ok?
No thanks. I simply haven't the time for such a definitive post, and you (along with others) wouldn't have the patience to read it all 
I have read all? of the info around here on it I think- ( I probably really havent) I do need you to walk me thru your beliefs on tongues now- if u can please.
You know about 'PleaseConsider'. Once you've digested the articles that appear there, I'll be happy to answer any questions that they may provoke.
Blessings,
Ian
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(Date Posted:18/04/2007 06:39:34)
Sorry, I mean Drew and Ian ( not troy)- think their tongues are genuine.
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Tiffany Roche
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(Date Posted:18/04/2007 06:54:56)
1Co 14:20 Brethren,80 be1096 not3361 children3813 in understanding:5424 howbeit235 in malice2549 be ye children,3515 but1161 in understanding5424 be1096 men.5046
1Co 14:21 In1722 the3588 law3551 it is written,1125 With1722 men of other tongues2084 and2532 other(1722), 2087 lips5491 will I speak2980 unto this5129 people;2992 and2532 yet for all that3779 will they not3761 hear1522 me,3450 saith3004 the Lord.2962
1Co 14:22 Wherefore5620 tongues1100 are1526 for1519 a sign,4592 not3756 to them that believe,4100 but235 to them that believe not:571 but1161 prophesying4394 serveth not3756 for them that believe not,571 but235 for them which believe.4100
1Co 14:23 If1437 therefore3767 the3588 whole3650 church1577 be come together4905 into1909 one place,846 and2532 all3956 speak2980 with tongues,1100 and1161 there come in1525 those that are unlearned,2399 or2228 unbelievers,571 will they not3756 say2046 that3754 ye are mad?3105
1Co 14:24 But1161 if1437 all3956 prophesy,4395 and1161 there come in1525 one5100 that believeth not,571 or2228 one unlearned,2399 he is convinced1651 of5259 all,3956 he is judged350 of5259 all:3956
1Co 14:25 And2532 thus3779 are the3588 secrets2927 of his848 heart2588 made1096 manifest;5318 and2532 so3779 falling down4098 on1909 his face4383 he will worship4352 God,2316 and report518 that3754 God2316 is2076 in1722 you5213 of a truth.3689
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Tiffany Roche
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(Date Posted:18/04/2007 07:01:21)
1Co 14:22 Wherefore5620 tongues1100 are1526 for1519 a sign,4592 not3756 leading to believing,4100 but235 leading to disbelief:571 but1161 prophesying4394 serveth not3756 leading to disbelief,571 but235 leading to belief.4100
Could that Scripture above really read like this... or is that just plain dodgy ???
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Tiffany Roche
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(Date Posted:18/04/2007 07:08:59)
G571 (is the word(s)...but for unbelievers (NIV)-or = to them that believe not (KJV) in 1 cor 14:22)
ἄπιστος
apistos
ap'-is-tos
From G1 (as a negative particle) and G4103; (actively) disbelieving, that is, without Christian faith (specifically a heathen); (passively) untrustworthy (person), or incredible (thing): - that believeth not, faithless, incredible thing, infidel, unbeliever (-ing).
G4100 (is the word(s)not for believers(NIV)-or = not to them that believe(KJV) in 1 cor 14:22)
πιστεύω
pisteuō
pist-yoo'-o
From G4102; to have faith (in, upon, or with respect to, a person or thing), that is, credit; by implication to entrust (especially one's spiritual well being to Christ): - believe (-r), commit (to trust), put in trust with.
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Tiffany Roche
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(Date Posted:18/04/2007 07:15:20)
Is my question clear? It looks a bit scatty. My point is- to me( non-educated in the Greek!!! ahhahaha)-to me it seems like the words that the translators have chosen- could be a bit wrong-- is it possible that it reads like the post above (the post all in pink) of 1 cor 14:22.
1Co 14:22 Wherefore5620 tongues1100 are1526 for1519 a sign,4592 not3756 leading to believing,4100 but235 leading to disbelief:571 but1161 prophesying4394 serveth not3756 leading to disbelief,571 but235 leading to belief.4100
Could that Scripture above really read like this... or is that just plain dodgy ???
There it is! that makes it easier. I changed the purple bits!!!
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Tiffany Roche
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(Date Posted:18/04/2007 09:32:27)
Brolga, do u speak in tongues now? Why do u call it ecstatic utterance?- I've heard others use that term too. (do u think ecstatic utterance is not the same as biblical "tongues"?)
What do u mean- u never did the chinaman tongues thing again?- How do u know that you "ecstatic utterance" wasn't just the same as the chinathing? Sorry if it seems like I'm a bit slow, I am seriously very interested in this- and want to make sure I'm understanding exactly what went on.
Please be patient with me!! Please explain more!!! Ta. Shiner.
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Aimoo Team
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(Date Posted:18/04/2007 09:54:52)
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(Date Posted:18/04/2007 10:13:38)
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break free
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(Date Posted:18/04/2007 11:05:21)
Reply to : Shining for Jesus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hVXSdeFPFU&mode=related&search=Here's the link ??? to delobulus I speak in tongues- Crack up! Oh can someone help me figur out how to do this- that link doesnt even work...!Ive also just lost 2 letters I wrote saying Hi to Break free, sott and Brolga....annoying- oh well. So Hi guys!Sott please e-mail me with all the info u know about tongues- and then I'll read it and probably have 1000 questions-- is that ok? I have read all? of the info around here on it I thi
hi, my story is here- http://www.aimoo.com/forum/postview.cfm?id=443300&CategoryID=148724&startcat=1&ThreadID=2753842
my story isnt much like yours and you probably wont like parts of it but oh well- its what happend and nop-one can change it now
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old holborn
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(Date Posted:18/04/2007 11:08:55)
Reply to : SOTT1
Reply to : old holborn'morning, old bloke.Well I'm not an expert, but I do think that the language, or dialect given, would have been kept ,so that they could tell neihgbouring, foriegn people, or visitors the good news.Nuh, uhMakes sense to me. Same with Paul. I also think that they would have had to know what they were saying to people, in order to converse, and explain, it could'nt just be one way.The 'entire world' (i.e. the 'mission field' of the first three centuries was bi-lingual:everyonespoke Greek as well as their particular ethnic/geographical languages. Such was the lasting legacy of Alexander the Great's empire. Consequently, it didn't matterwherePaul went, he was clearly understood by all that he spoke to.
Thanks old friend, I stand corrected, knew I could rely on you. Serves me right for sticking my neck out. and exposing my ignorance but thats the result of 18 yrs of revival teaching, you go in knowing nothing, and come out knowing even less.
,Woke up today to find SFJ has spread into every thread, like a rash, her enthusiasm and thirst for answers will keep every one on their toes and provoke some good debate I think, and you will find yourself very busy rightly dividing. And we'll all benefit and become wiser in the proccess.
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Tiffany Roche
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(Date Posted:18/04/2007 13:38:18)
Thanks old Holborn!!!! I don't think I mind be likened to a "rash"!!! ahhahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
Woke up today to find SFJ has spread into every thread, like a rash, her enthusiasm and thirst for answers will keep every one on their toes and provoke some good debate I think, and you will find yourself very busy rightly dividing. And we'll all benefit and become wiser in the proccess.
I'll take that as a compliment! Amen! I love talking with people about Jesus and all things pertaining to Him and the Bible- and Christianity etc! whooohhooooo!!! Hallelujahoo.
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Tiffany Roche
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(Date Posted:18/04/2007 13:43:04)
hey Moth!! You ar truly a star! How do u know how to do all these cool things on the computer?? I'd love to learn... I guess I will just pick stuff up in time... until then can u give me hints- on how u make words move across your posts, and how u moved ehenocha and delobulus to here... It's probably real easy when u know how!
Anyway, thanks for bringing them on here- Can someone delete all the other writing about how to get there- and the other links? That'd be cool please- and it will keep this section a lot clearer ay!
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Tiffany Roche
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(Date Posted:18/04/2007 14:11:28)
Hey Moth!!! Can u please put Ehenocha and delobulus' clips onto my new topic page- called"tongues- lets talk about tongues etc..." I'd appreciate that. ( I don't know how to do it!)
I'm trying to promote a big chat about tongues. ( I do realise everybody's probably way over it-.... but I'm not. So everybody please go there and gimme your best ideas about tongues!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Tiffany Roche
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(Date Posted:18/04/2007 15:54:16)
Hey break free. I read and posted to ya testimony. Good on u for speaking up-( if its the truth!)
It's so sad that bad stuff happens everywhere. The worst part is that people try to hide it all- and then pretend they're all neat and great.
And the even worser( I love that word, hahahah) part is when someone does speak the truth- and the wicked people accuse the truth teller of lies. God will judge'm all.
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SOTT1
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(Date Posted:19/04/2007 01:38:28)
Reply to : old holborn
'morning, OH.
Woke up today to find SFJ has spread into every thread, like a rash, her enthusiasm and thirst for answers will keep every one on their toes and provoke some good debate I think, and you will find yourself very busy rightly dividing. And we'll all benefit and become wiser in the proccess.
Not me! I'm waiting for SFJ to settle down a bit first (it's a little like trying to keep up with an ADHD child who is sculling red cordial neat, at the moment)
Blessings,
Ian
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Sea Urchin
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(Date Posted:19/04/2007 08:26:32)
Reply to : Shining for Jesus
To sott1 , well then..... very funny. Lucky we're all not the same on here ay? How boring that would be. There seems to be a mix of all sorts of personalities- Please don't try to squash me down-! That's what Revival seemed to do a bit. I'd have a suggestion for outreaching for example- and they said it was dumb basically- It was like banging your head against a brick wall. I hope you are not gonna be all like "she's crazy!" Who am I offending?Be nice- If I'm too "red cordialish for you all" gang up and tell me- I can handle it. (or can I ?)
Hey S4J
Yes you are quite right - we are not all the same. I don't think people are trying to 'squash' you down, just trying to calm you a little. I mean to say, we can hardly get a word in edgeways at the moment, LOL! I'm sure you don't think you're offending anyone but getting personal (calling people 'bitter') is probably unwise, remember there are a lot of people that have come up of a cult that are still a little sensitive and maybe even still hurting from it. Please don't take offence at what I am saying as I am saying it in love. Also, be assured that there are many of us who are on fire for God and in awesome churches and getting on with our walks.
Love, Sea Urchin
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