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Re:70's GRC Split?
(Date Posted:31/12/2008 16:23:02)
Reply to slkjack (31/12/2008 19:26:58).
Does anyone know anything about the big split in GRC back in the 70's or 60's? I know it's old news but I would like to know more about it. I tried looking in the old posts but can't find any info. I did find the info about the split back in the 50's which is something I didn't know before. Thanks. |
Hi slkjack, I'm sure I can help you here but I'm about to leave for a few days break. I will contact you then but I'm sure some-one can make a start. There is much about this story that a lot of people don't know, begining from the days when sevices were in High St Belmont , the power-play between Noel vs the "Others" and who actually paid for the Thompson Rd Hall (not Noel) , now that is interesting and dicloses how crooked 'Holy' Noel is and of coarse he has never changed! He is a sly habitual thief. Meanwhile , may you all have a Happy New Year and maybe some sparks will fly ?
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Come-On !
always tell the truth
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Re:70's GRC Split?
(Date Posted:03/01/2009 00:48:21)
Hi slkjack,
A brief history from my studys of the GRC:
1909 - The first Pentecostal Church 'Good News Hall' formed by Pastor Janet Lancaster (female pastor!!!)
1920's - Many indepedent pentecostal churches join together and form pentecostal movements
1937 - Pentecostal Churches Australia (including Good News Hall) and Assemblies of God Australia unite and become the Assemblies of God Australia (which changed name in 2007 to Australian Christian Churches)
1944 - Leo Harris and Thomas Foster split from the Assemblies of God over British-Israelite doctrine which was not approved by the AOG. They formed the National Revival Crusade. In 1950 Noel Hollins and family were "saved" by Lloyd Longfield in this movement. Noel Hollins was ordained as a Pastor in 1952 by Thomas Foster in Ballarat.
1952 - Leo Harris together with most of the Victorian churches split from Thomas Foster (including Lloyd Longfield and Noel Hollins) and formed the Commonwealth Revival Crusade. About 1956 Noel Holins relocated from Ballarat to pastor the work in Geelong. (In 1963 Thomas Foster and Leo Harris reunited and renamed their assemblies Christian Revival Crusade)
1959 - Noel Hollins and Lloyd Longfield split from the Commonwealth Revival Crusade and formed the Revival Centres Australia (now known as Revival Centres International) This is when they changed their doctrine of salvation from the Christian doctrine of salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ - to the revival doctrine that one must speak in tongues to be saved.
1962'ish - All the eldership and many others left the Geelong assembly and rejoined the Commonwealth Revival Crusade.
1972 - Noel Hollins split from the Revival Centres Australia. Noel Hollins did not rename his movement, but instead set up his assemblies as pty ltd businesses, which allows them to control who can and can not attend, thus making them the extreeme exclusive cult they are now.
1991 - Scott Williams lead another split from the Revival Centres International and became the Christian Assemblies International
1995 - John kuhlman lead another split from the Revival Centres International and became the Revival fellowship
These 4 Revival cults all have their origins in good and Godly churches, just because of human ego and power to control these cults have been birthed and have grown and continue to decieve people. If you are in the GRC or any of the other revival cults, or if you have left them but haven't found God, then please look at their history, the Australian Christian Churches (AOG) and the Christian Revival Crusade have more than 1,500 churches nationally and they are still preaching the same salvation message as they were in 1909, which is very different to the message changed message taught by the GRC, CAI, RF and RCI ...
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29 Jan 1992 - NH Hollins
"You need to do what your heart knows is right"
So I did, and quit the GRC that same night.
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Re:70's GRC Split?
(Date Posted:04/01/2009 07:21:00)
cont'd ...... ( as I know it and stand corrected )
"1972 - Noel Hollins split from the Revival Centres Australia. Noel Hollins did not rename his movement, but instead set up his assemblies as pty ltd businesses, which allows them to control who can and can not attend, thus making them the extreeme exclusive cult they are now."
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Prior to the "split", Jack Clay and Noel Hollins were running the 'Hall' in High St. Belmont (Sth side of Geelong). Jack was a man with his own 'means' of employment and was cast as the 'Minister' ? while Noel Hollins was more in the "Pastorial" side of things full-time.
Apparently Doug? Warren (a parishioner) had supposedly had done something wrong ? and was 'put-out' by Noel Hollins and Jack Clay didn't know of what had been going on causing a dispute between Jack and Noel which developed into the 'split'. This created the opportunity for Noel Hollins to 'go it alone' and be his own boss in the Norlane Hall (Nth side of Geelong) which was already in operation.
Of coarse and as we all know, no-one was to find out the whole truth of who said or did what as Noel Hollins made sure that his "flock" only heard his side of the story ( Noel was Very Economical with the truth even way back then) ......
........ sound familiar ? Things haven't changed much, have they !
There is also the fact that it suited some to attend Norlane as they lived on the 'Nth Side of Geelong' and of coarse vise-versa, and others who had no means of transportation either.
What most people don't know is, that to build the Norlane Hall, it was funded by Jack Clay mortgaging a property he owned, out of his 'own pocket' (as Jack had his own means and not from the church) of approximately 1/3 the value of the contruction of the Norlane Hall, plus funds from other members pockets too !
THIS MONEY WAS NEVER REPAID !
........ sound familiar ? Things haven't changed much - have they !
(Message edited by motmot On 04/01/2009 07:26:01)
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Re:70's GRC Split?
(Date Posted:05/01/2009 03:29:19)
Over the years I heard a number of different versions of the 72 split.
Noels' version - That he stood as a bastion of righteousness against the flood of ungodliness and worldliness that Lloyd Longfield was allowing in the Melbourne RC that would 'pollute ' the whole body..
Jack Vicary's version. That he alone stood with Noel when the other pastors refused to pray with him (Noel).
What I've gleaned from other sources.
Melbourne was having Friday night house meetings that were led by "ordinary" brothers as opposed to the specially anointed elite iner circle. Certain brothers in Geelong (Normie and Alan Warren - not related and before my time) thought this sounded pretty good and approached Noelly for a similar gig in Geelong... Well... buzz click went Noel's brain "I can't have this..." No. Well Alan and Normie grumbled about Noel's tight rein (sigh nothing has changed except Noel is even tighter than ever - witness the pathetic state of the "church" he is pastoring) Noel was moving towards a one man band and ordinary brothers running house meetings... that would never do - he wouldn't have total control.
Normie and Alan grumbled to Lloyd. That was all Noel needed to unload the Melbourne group so he officially broke fellowship with Lloyd. (Never mind the scriptures about talking to the brothers who "offend " you) This sent shock waves all around the Revival Centres as Melbourne and Geelong were the two largest groups in the organisation)
Pastors from all over Aus went to Melbourne to find out what was happening.
Fred Needham's version. Fred was the pastor of the Auckland branch of the Revival Centres and happened to be staying with Lloyd in his house when all this was going on. Fred told us how he saw Lloyd on the phone to Noel , crying, begging Noel not to split. Begging Noel for forgiveness. Saying, "I'll do anything you want. I'll come down to Geelong, stand in front of the assembly and apologise. Deal with Alan and Normie. If you think they should be out of fellowship, I'll support you. Noel refused. Lloyd was opening crying but Noel refused.
(Noel is a very unforgiving man - and God WILL judge those who don't forgive - you know the story of the servant who was forgiven but refused to forgive his fellowservant - well - that fits Noel.)
Bob Caldwell's version. (Bob was the pastor of the Sydney group.) Basically the same as Fred's version. No one was spiritual enough for Noel.
So when Noel showed up in Melbourne the pastors wanted to talk. To deal with Noel's unforgiving attitude. Noel didn't want to talk about the issue. He did exactly the same thing in Manila in 2000. Slithery and cunning thing he is. He duped simple people by sidestepping and avoiding the issue and putting on a big show of superior spirituality by saying, "Let's just pray." Needless to say the pastors in 72 (except Jack - who was pretty thick anyway) were disgusted and stayed with Lloyd.
After 72 the Revival Centre pastors never rubbished Noel. In 1979 John Kuhlmann spoke about Noel's group in Adelaide as "having the truth" (He didn't know Addison too well). (I heard that personally as I was in the Adelaide Revival Centre in 1979) We met someone from the Perth group in about 1984 and they told us that their pastor (Thomas I thhink his name was) never said anything bad about Noel.
Noel did exactly the same thing in Manila in 2000. The are Filipinos who posted on this board about how they went to talk to Noel about the issues we'd raised about BI and he didn't answer any of their questions, but just said "Just pray." Using prayer to deceive people - how low can you get. All he did was rubbish us. And then Noel does a big coverup and slander campaign, making sure that people in 'his' churches (Noels not God's) never found out what really happened and using fear to keep people enslaved. (It's no secret that anyone in the GRC who talks to us is afraid of being found out) Noel is evil. He has no clue about scripture - he certainly cannot believe the word - otherwise why would he resort to blatant lies - didn't he learn anything from the story of Ananias and Sappira. He can't believe that his hidden thigs would ever be brought out into the open.
Our conclusion is that Noel wanted to be head honcho in 72. There's no room on the pedestal for 2. Noel is up there all alone - the Lord got pushed off ages ago.
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Re:70's GRC Split?
(Date Posted:05/01/2009 05:22:09)
Thanks Pilinut,
I knew if i make a start that more info and more accurate than mine would surface. You cannot hide the truth ! I wasn't sure nor totally clear in my memory in regards to Alan and Normie Warren but now we know more.
Noel hollins is a master at 'deception' .....
Quote : " but just said "Just pray." Using prayer to deceive people - how low can you get." and he just ignores any concept that he can be told anything that doesn't suit him. He won't be told and have you ever noticed how he won't look you eye-to-eye when he is laying down the Law at you ? That is because he has already made up his mind on 'the issue'. ... the " Power of One ".
Quote : " Noel is evil. "
I know Noel is Evil and a good friend of mine .... Twiggy, repeatedly stomps around the house saying .... " he is Evil, Pure Evil !" In every aspect of scripture , Noel has violated, twisted and raped the Word of God but what is worse, he has tampered with peoples souls as well, chewed them up and spat them out - Spiritually Raped. I can only concur with you Pilinut.
Noel Hollins is obsessed with total control and power, there is No room for two, and is not shy when it comes to money either ! Noel had to go to court over a ' land ' issue some time ago but I missed by one day to find out the truth about that matter. I think it was the " adverse possession" of the block of land at the Camp site in Ocean Grove, the one obtained to give access to the service lane in Shell Rd - we called the " Exit gate ". The people I would like to speak to live somewhere in Colendina but as yet I haven't found them. They know all about it - they are from the general public.
The bottom line is ...
" Noel wanted to be head honcho in 72. There's no room on the pedestal for 2. Noel is up there all alone - the Lord got pushed off ages ago."
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" Those are my principles and if you don"t like them, I do have others"
Come-On !
always tell the truth
motmot
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RE:70's GRC Split?
(Date Posted:08/01/2009 01:54:30)
Thank you so much to all those that replied. This helps me understand more. I didn't know any of the history and all the responses are very enlightning. The impression I had was that Salvation by Speaking in Tongues was first and because the other parties became soft to this teaching that Noel had to stand up and split to uphold the gospel. Had no idea that he was actually saved under the Save by Grace teaching and even preached on this in the early days. Again thank you all!
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