Wow ! Thanks for posting that .

  I didn't know such a list was in existance or still about. We need to follow some of this up. I know it is old and out of date, but what year does this represent ? .....    and what is the current status of who's who and where ?   If you or anyone can help fill in the gaps, that would be great  and while your at it, those who are no longer         " incharge "  or  " alive "  etc.  .....    where are they now and  why ?   What ever became - of ......  ?

 

 

For a start, 

   Reg Gray is the Bank Manager at the  National Australia Bank in Lara Victoria.

Why is he here again ? Wasn't  their some shady dealings done and he " HAD to get-out quick " away fromthe law  or something ?

I know that R. Lowden is no longer alive. He passed away in or around 1995. Not sure who took over. Also, I dont think that M. Davis is the pastor anymore, his eldest son 'left' around 1997/98. They stayed in Northhampton but once again not sure what happened after that. Oh, and clearly B. Warren isnt in charge anymore! :)

that list is more then 10 years old

Old list or Not ! well posted gives people an idea what groups to aviode and beaware of... Also the creeps associated with them..

 

NEVER TOO LATE !!

It gives me creeps to know that they've got 36 branches around the world! 

This has to STOP!!  We have to stop it!!

God will stop it too, it's biblical, it's happening right now!

Yep, it's a very old list, but let the record stand; it could be helpful information to someone.

 

           I have mulded over  these assemblies and I think it would be helpful to update it as to who is where now, so here goes and lets see how far we get. Correct me if I'm wrong as I may throw-in a guess or two , and I will update it as we progress - with your help ........

 

The list is dated 27/5/95 (under the Yugoslav heading)

 

Australia .

Adelaide :          Tony Addison ( Daddy Addy ) .... no fruit / growth / assemblies from him !

Brisbane :          Peter Simkin    .....    formally    Terry Parker - deceased

Toowoomba :    Brian Griggs   

Mooloolaba :     Mark Reed ?  

Maroochydore :  Andrew Jurgens

Townsville :       Closed down , formally Colin Plunket,  and he is now back in Croydon. 

Hobart :             Neil Griggs

Launceston :     Les Schumer

Albury :             David Buckle  ......... formally Robin Lowden of SA.  -  deceased

Ballarat :           * Freeman  .....  formally Bill Mc Donald- left because Noel would do nothing about Barry H.

Canberra :        Clayton Warren ..... formally David Fulford .... formally Reg Gray

Croydon :           Alan Morton   ...   formally   Ted Owen - deceased

Niddrie :             Alan Ganly

Bendigo :           Neil Primrose

Dimboola :         Greg Gerardi   Closed

Geelong :           Noel Hollins   ( Noddy Noel )

Warnnambool :  Russel Ivermee

Sydney :             Mick Brydon

Newcastle :        Harold Wilson

Perth :                 Doug Sims ?

Overseas :

Canada.

Vancouver :        Ben Smith   .... formally Nat De Palmer

Columbia.

Cali :                  Richard Long

England .

Bristol :              Mike Biscan

London :            Terry O'Neil

Northhampton : Martin Davis ?

Peterborough : Terry Begg

India .        

Bombay :            Ronny Calaco  ... (from Goa)  .....  formally Reg Gray

Goa :                  Santosh .....formally Ronny Colaco

Kiribati.                ?

Malaysia.

Kuching               A Ting

New Zealand :    ? .... formally Pat King

Philippines.

Manila :                David Fulford  .... formally Brett Warren

Ozamiz City :        Hector Oronman ........   Hector Oronan left the GRC in 2000 along with the entire Ozamiz, Bacolod and Baguio assemblies and all but 2 members of the Dagupan assembly. In any case he has been in Manila for many years now. (Sabrina)

 

others ?

 

Singapore .         T Koh Yung Hul  ..... formally Paul Hazelwood

Yugoslavia .        Ilija Krista

Fiji .

Lautoka :             Run by General Joke    ......   ( good one Glad ) 

Now I know there was more or there are different ones now ... like Fiji ? so please give forth of your knowledge and thankyou so far for what has come forth.

 

 

 

 

  to be cont'd  ....

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Even you are out of date Mot.

I was suprised to see the amount of people who were in "used in the ministry" who are no longer around now. Whether they have been "stood down" or whether they have run from it. If these people cant last, what hope is there for the "commoners"?.

Heres what i can add to your list motmot:

 

Adelaide :          Tony Addison ( Daddy Addy ) .... now fruit / growth / assemblies from him !

Brisbane :          Terry Parker - deceased. Now Peter Simkin is Pastor

Toowoomba :    Brian Griggs   

Mooloolaba :     Mark Reed

Townsville :       Colin Plunket ?  This assembly has closed down and Colin Plunkett has left.

Hobart :             Neil Griggs

Launceston :     Les Schumer

Albury :             David Buckle ?  Robin Lowden -  deceased

Ballarat :               Bill Mc Donald was ill ...and left dis-enchanted ? Now its Pastor Freeman, straight out of the  1800's.

Canberra :        Clayton Warren . Where is D. Fulford now ? D.Fulford is now in the Phillapines

Croydon :           Alan Morton ?    Ted Owen - deceased

Niddrie :             Alan Ganly

Bendigo :           Neil Primrose

Dimboola :          Stork ?    (it's all I can think of ) this assembely has closed too.

Geelong :           Noel Hollins   ( Noddy Noel )

Warnnambool :  Russel Ivermee

Sydney :             Mick Brydon

Newcastle :        Cant think of his first name but he has now become Pastor Wilson

Perth :                 Doug Sims ?

When you say Colin Plunket has left do you mean left Townsville or the church?

I think you will find that most of the "pastors" listed are more "common" than you think. It is a rather odd title for the people in the assembly who are not involved in the "suck up as hard as you can" click. If you look at some of the names mentioned above they are real bogons and slummy's, Mick Brydon, Terry Parker, Brian Griggs, Mark Reed, Harold Wilson, Clayton Warren and the list goes on. Those mentioned are worse than your average Joe that see hanging out in Whittington and Corio.

Reply to is_aimoo_guest(09/12/2007 1:51 PM)..Even you are out of date Mot.

Of course I'm out of date and I would like to be as knowledgeable and as eddicated as you !

I think it is GREAT to be out of date, because it means that we have been free from the control, manipulation and lies of the GRC.

When you read the list of people who have control over the various souls, most read like a list of try hards and wannabes from the past.

Quite amusing, if the effects these morons have on people's lives wasn't so toxic.

Fiji- based in Lautoka. Hasn't grown to speak of for years and is regarded as a joke within the general population of the town. (those who have heard about it!!)

Glad 

vancouver - Ben Smith

Thanks again for your info., but there are so many I would like to know what happened to them, such as .....

Darren Harley , Gordon Crawford ..........  can you suggest any others ?

      Yes Glad , it is good to know that  " I'm outa date "  and that I am not effected by any one nor what is said .  To be able to see clearly that what they say , do or attempt to imply , proves that they are deluded in their Blind Faith or is it self justification or just live in fear of Noddy Noel   .......  It's all of the above !

GREAT job Mot!  Keep up the good work and good faith!  You have my full support!  Have a pleasant day dude ..

India         

Bombay :            Ronny Colaco  .....  formally Reg Gray who ran away from Bombay, became Pastor in Canberra, later lost his ministry in Canberra and returned to Geelong.

Goa :                  Santosh  ... formally Ronny Colaco, moved to Bombay

Colin Plunkett has NOT left the church... He is in Croydon.. Top bloke just brain Washed like all Noels Sheep... I spent alot of time with him on camps and in the assembly.

 

And his children?

The list is dated 27/5/95 (under the Yugoslav heading) Please note correction to the Philippines entry Mot - Hector Oronan left the GRC in 2000 along with the entire Ozamiz, Bacolod and Baguio assemblies and all but 2 members of the Dagupan assembly. In any case he has been in Manila for many years now.

sabrina

Hi Sabrina,

Nice to see you back online.  Hope all is well and good on your end.

Welcome! :)

thanks, I'm just catching up on new posts here. Seeing what mindless control tactics are being imposed on the gullible. Sab

all the 'PLUNKETT' kids have left - Colin and anita in the
CULT

 

Reply to is_aimoo_guest(09/12/2007 1:51 PM)..The list is dated 27/5/95 (under the Yugoslav heading) Please note correction to the Philippines entry Mot - Hector Oronan left the GRC in 2000 along with the entire Ozamiz, Bacolod and Baguio assemblies and all but 2 members of the Dagupan assembly. In any case he has been in Manila for many years now. sabrina Thankyou Sabrina,       I have now updated it with your info     ....  " It's on the List "

Now ! Can anyone help me here ?  There is another list I would  LOVE  to get my hands on which I know does exist, and that is a compiled  ' Three-Ringed Binder '   written by Noel Hollins of his ' commandments ' called   .........  " List of Rules and Guides for Pastors " .    

I maybe wrong here to it's actual title , but I think we get the message .  This would be another one of his little    ' babies ' to which, and I have heard that it is known affectionately as   .........

' The Commandments  According To Noel '.

It's true , it does exsist, and we would ALL love to read it .  So if there is anyone or Ex-pastors out there, please help us .   ( My God !  Did I just say that ?  " pastors help us " ......  wash my mouth out ! )

No doubt the pages it contains would be a revelation.  If I knew where I could get my hands on one , I do believe I would commit  ' Break and Enter '  just to get it ! 

 So to all you Sherlock Holmes , Detectives and Sleuths,  get cracking and see if you can uncover this ' Binder / Booklet '  and let me know.

 Cheer the New Year

motmot

I have copied part of the booklet:

1/ Pastors, you are beyond reproach at all times, never admit fault/blame or apologise to the flock.

2/ You have full possesion of the tithes bag, use the money at your own discretion, DO NOT let your right hand know what your left hand does.

3/ Control is the operative word at all times. Know what your flock is doing, know who they communicate with, if needs be seek out a brother who can be of use in this area, find out why they are attending a GP's appointment, why they were not there last Sun, why they left the outing early.

4/Meeting attendance is mandatory. Do not tolerate any of your flock missing meetings. We need to know where they are at all times.

5/If the Pastor has to miss a meeting, DO NOT I reiterate DO NOT reveal to anyone the reason.

6/ Do not allow women in the assembly to wear inappropriate dress. eg: denim jeans or the like, mini skirts, t-shirts with print, sneakers, brothers have to wear ties, no open shirts.

7/ Pastors have a special calling, you are not just one of the flock, you are special.

8/ If Pastors are unsure on certain points, this is Noel Hollins ministry, I am the apostle and ultimately the decisions rest with me.

Thankyou

That was wonderful Guest. I believed it up to the "don't let the right hand know what the left hand does".

Got a good laugh from your well researched booklet, keep us informed when you manage to "copy" the rest.

We all need a bit of light relief when dealing with the heartache caused by the GRC.

How can anyone read the actual rules of the GRC and fail to realise, that they are written by men with serious mental health issues.

Yes, the pastors are "specthial" all right!!!!! (devoted to a limited field of study, having a distinct individual character-also in a weakened sense)

WELL, LOOK AT THAT, I DID WHAT THE GRC DOES, I WAS SELECTIVE WITH THE VERSES OF THE DICTIONARY WITH REGARD TO THE WORD  "SPECIAL."

MAKES ALL THE DIFFERENCE, DOESN'T IT?

Cheers,

Glad 

Hi Mot,

I'm a very curious person too,mate.But us wanting to know every thing to what is going on in that twisted place, just gives those of them that tap into this forum reasons to snear, chukkle and wonder why we still want to know.I do know where you are coming from. I am proberbly as inquisitive. But really Mot the strength is to leave them and MOVE ON. Do we really need to know.But I guess it's your call.

Love M.S.

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With us knowing it here, it equates to the poor souls who do check this forum knowing it too.  It might be useful to them in ways that we probably do not anticipate now.  Give it a try, it might just be beneficial to someone, somehow, anyhow..

Mot, good idea.

Morning sunshine, very valid point.

 

Guess our take here now would probably be :

 "1Cast thy bread upon the waters: for thou shalt find it after many days.

 2Give a portion to seven, and also to eight; for thou knowest not what evil shall be upon the earth.

 3If the clouds be full of rain, they empty themselves upon the earth: and if the tree fall toward the south, or toward the north, in the place where the tree falleth, there it shall be.

 4He that observeth the wind shall not sow; and he that regardeth the clouds shall not reap.

 5As thou knowest not what is the way of the spirit, nor how the bones do grow in the womb of her that is with child: even so thou knowest not the works of God who maketh all.

 6In the morning sow thy seed, and in the evening withhold not thine hand: for thou knowest not whether shall prosper, either this or that, or whether they both shall be alike good.

 7Truly the light is sweet, and a pleasant thing it is for the eyes to behold the sun: "

 

Not hoping to be annoyingly scriptural here, just thought this really could maybe apply in this situation

Truly there might be someone out there who is dying to behold the sun, however it rises .. 

Love ye all .. except we know who

Hi Guest,

I guess it is what perspective you are looking at with that lot...I suppose if there is some relevance there is a need to know. I personally feel the less advertising there is with that obnoxious crowd the better. Who gives a  SH#T who's where. I certainly don't want to know.

They don't deserve any recognition of any sort. You see that is what they love. I say treat them with CONTEMPT.

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Hi MS,

the way I took mot's post was as a warning. I think he wanted to show just how far this cancerous growth had spread.

I may be wrong. 

I travel a fair bit and I would like to know where the bastards are. I don't recall names, and the faces would have changed by now, plus there are a lot of new clones out there. I know what I would do if I was in a place on the list and some idiot sidled up to me chatting about "salvation the Bible way"etc.

Knee them in the you know where and then run like hell. Wish I had done that all those years ago !!!

Cheers,

Glad 

(Message edited by Glad-to be out On 07/01/2008 01:29:15)

Hi Mot, I'm a very curious person too,mate.But us wanting to know every thing to what is going on in that twisted place, just gives those of them that tap into this forum reasons to snear, chukkle and wonder why we still want to know.I do know where you are coming from. I am proberbly as inquisitive. But really Mot the strength is to leave them and MOVE ON. Do we really need to know.But I guess it's your call. Love M.S.         Hi MS.    ,               I see your point and yes, we must move on, upward and forward, but as Glad said , I didn't post this as if I live in the past. I like to do exactly as you said  ......  "  keep the pressure on them and shove it up them ".              Also there are several aspects as to why I do this. It is of great benefit for many who are at that horrible  " Half-way Point " of whether to walk or not and sometimes you have to be  Repetitively Blunt  for some to wake-up and see the Forest in-front of them .              I am personally  ' well-over ' that Cult ' but I do take it seriously the welfare of others, always have , always will . I know I'm being repetitive  but there is no excuse for wrong doers to be " let-off " or " get away with "  their actions that may, can or do harm others .              So why have I pursued to display ' Who's who and who's where'  , or  what is in that " Criminal Handbook  of  Bastardry ".             Well , I believe that  we all must know the   Eleventh Commandment  .....       "  Know Thy Enemy ! "                  .....   reveal and display the intent of their heart  .....   and as Glad said , she likes to know where they are when she travels so she can enjoy her holiday ...  or even just her shopping without being pestered etc. Again know as much as you can , knowledge is a wonderful friend and a comfort to your peace of mind.            Still MS.  ,  thanks for your post and point taken . We must always try to see all sides and it is the responses to these posts that reveal many truths......           All Hail the New Year

It's vital that as much relevent information as possible is posted to this forum. It may be used at some time by somebody who is researching a church in their area. All churches affilitated with the Revivals need to be categorised for the sake of anyone who may happen upon this forum and need to know. People may be looking to visit such a church, or have children that have got themselves involved.

Churches that follow this 'tongues' doctrine are more than generally off kilter to start with, and on that foundation they are forced to build a shaky but controlled construction. You virtually have to sell your soul and cage your freedom to take on the cult mentality that goes with the whole package.

We are unashamedly more than curious as to what is being said and done in these churches. This serves so that we can report this on the forum to those who may need to know. Sometimes the information isn't forthcoming and therefore the facts get scrambled... but that all comes out in the wash at some time. So if they jeer and chuckle at why we are so interested, then the answer is clear and true... we wish to expose every lie, every injustice, and every sad sick story that unfortunately squeezes itself from under its dreary deluded door.

and all the people say... "AMEN" ...

Spot on boys!

Let's do it! ... NIKE

yes, it makes alot of sense to post the international list here as many folks off the australian shores may be right now suffering the abuse we've suffered before them and searching to put a finger to it. (i know people who have successfully got themselves SAVED this way...)

having it listed here makes the identification undoubtly easy and clear.  many folks especially those who are new in all 'assemblies' worldwide might not know 'inside' people and stories enough to recognise they've stumbled upon a forum associated to their local group.  hence the clear listing would unquestionably be very useful.  best is to have all the pictures of the bastards pin up here!

One of the main ways to identify a CULT is to see how many names a group has worldwide.

The Catholic Church is just the Catholic Church and same for the C of E or the Uniting, but, Hollin's group has the NEED for ALL these names.

The main reason is so that the unsuspecting can't trace the abuse back to the Mother of all abusers, Hollins and the GRC. The majority of destructive cults behave in the same manner. Some churches are led by love and compassion , Hollin's is built on lies, fear, intimidation and the laying on of "guilt", not hands !! 

Mot, keep up the good work. Expose where they are and who they are. Post pictures, do whatever it takes to warn people and cause people to QUESTION their group or leader.

To be able to trace where the bullshit originates from, may save physical lives, and will definitely save spiritual lives.

Cheers,

Glad

 

Hi To All My Buddies,

Well if nothing else, I have managed to fire up this topic of Mot's. All your posts were well put together you guys.I did get a lot out of all your thoughts. I guess my thinking on this subject didn't go as lateral as yours.I do agree whole heartedly to what you all have said.And go for it.But I personally have had a gut full of the whole distorted life that they all live. And prefer to move on and treat it all with uttermost contempt...But at the same time I'm very much involved with the damage it is doing to some of my family members at this moment which is hard going.They can't see the woods for the trees.And me out of the woods can see what is happening to their lives.And I can't do a thing about it, other than be as strong a support that I can be. Which I am doing. So Miss sentitive here doesn't really want to know anymore about them.So my friends, go for it, as they used to say "GO SILVER."

Love M.S.

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Hi MS -  We are showing our age, "Hi Yo Silver Away" !!!!!!

I would rather forget them too, but some of the feedback of late has shown that we do serve a valuable function, and it is worth the small amount of misery to continue to expose the stupidity of the GRC doctrine and the double standards of the leaders of the various spinoff groups.

Some of the info is so incredible that it IS funny, and provides a good belly laugh. 

The longer we are OUT, the more amazed we all are, at how gullible we were!!

Gladdie

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Hi MS,

Totally understand where you are coming from.  We here in the forum are not identical to those sitting in the judgemental house, incapable of handling 'questions' and objectively answering them properly.  We are open to all differing views and opinions and encourage individual thinking.  We have enough of blind conformity don't we?

As true human beings we understand and do not compell everyone to think alike, understanding all individuals possesses their very own individual motivitaion.  Having read the situation you are facing now, it is clear why you have your views and that's your view and that's totally fine, nothing wrong with that.  With different perspectives it provides us an opportunity to see things from different angles and help further define and refine our approach as needed.  It provides us an opportunity to grow and see beyond our own reality and get a good grip of the big picture all through.

Bravo team!  Keep the vision alive!

Love actually

To Guest,

Thanks for that aknowledgement, Guest. I do agree it is great to have varied perspectives, especially as acute as these topics can be. And ofcourse we all ,do go through different stages( of overcomings) or experiences in our lives at different times.Which can put a different slant on things at the time.

p.s. Your post Guest, read like a.. Mot Mot.. reply. Then again Mot's replies have not always been as modest...Ha,Ha,Ha.  Sorry Mot I'm joking again.

M.S.

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OOOOOPPPS.Mot,

Sorry my friend,....I was directing that last comment to" Mothy@Rusty" (Mot @ Mothy are quite similar when you aren't thinking,)

M.S.

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I think one of the Simms boys (ex Niddrie) may be looking after something in the Philippines - Noel started a new group in Dagupan. One of a set of twins - I'm lousy with names. could it be Adam? Sab

The other one was Nathan.

Glad

Yes, Adam and Belinda Simms are in the Philippines

Aren't Nathan & Tess Simms in the Philippines too?...there were when I left

How does it go " The last ones who should have power are the ones who want it the most"

When the head of the snake is dead we will see what happens to the body.

THE LAST ONES WHO SHOULD HAVE POWER ARE THE ONES WHO WANT IT THE MOST.

Well just how true is that. Thanks Guest.That was hitting the nail right on the head.

That explains the "CULT" G.R.C.'s leadership. AND THE HUGE PROBLEMS they have.    Holding sound wholesome and respectful relationships within a group, and to have a healthy caring enviroment where ever it may be, is a prosperous and a growing proactive positive place.

Weak leadership leads to negative guidance and thinking and eventual breakdowns.

So folks which... "HAT"... does the N.H.H.'s group wear???? That is why this G.R.C. forum is so ACTIVE. People crying out for help and support and for some nurtureing. THERE IS NO "BACKBONE" TO WEAK LEADERSHIP Just total confusion. M.S.

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pastor Cheyne Warren and wife nicki are in solomon islands

pastor cheyne warren and nicki in solomon islands

pastor cheyne warren and nicki in solomon islands

Sorry, but when did he learn to read well enough to become an anything??

Glad

A fair majority of the pastors have less than a year 12 pass. That suprises no one who has had the unfortunate pleasure of associating with these MONG BEANS.. They'll tell you what they think is the truth.


I wish they would just see that they are not the answer nor do they.  The Lord knows.  If they really knew/know the Lord surely they are shit scared when they stop to pray or open their mouths to minister when they know how so wrong Noel and his EVIL doctrine of soul destroying and Mind contro. is..

 Just look at the views and posts Noel.. The truth is out there! Keep searching.....

I am yet again venting under the wrong topic but it ALL adds up and maybe we can be in the right place at the right time to 'save' some body from the CULT !!