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LSlurper
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Registered: 17/01/2009

(Date Posted:15/07/2009 01:07:02)

Sorry.....

Still here with more questions:

I am wondering (remember I have never been a GRC member but lost two siblings to the cult) after reading so many amazing recollections from people here, how come the wider community seem to be blissfully unaware of what goes on at GRC?

I think if I was the editor of the likes of the 'Geelong Advertiser' I'd be running regular stories on the cult.

Okay, there have been a couple of media stories - but not so many considering the volume of stuff written here.

Some mention legal threats...but has the GRC ever taken a former member or media outlet to court?

Is there a reason I do not understand that would explain former members not wanting to say too much? I understand some will still have loved ones involved in the cult - but is there anything else? What is actionable about telling of real events which occurred in a person's own past? Yes, I know I can be a bit thick sometimes.

Sure, many forum members probably know each other's real identities, but there still seems to be a veil of secrecy (to a certain extent) over GRC even after leaving...or am I mistaken?

GRC does seem to be a scary place, but surely it is no where as powerful as say, Exclusive Bretheren - as from what I can follow GRC doesn't have enough brains to organise themselves into such a dominant business force as the likes of the EB, managing to bring govt on board (at least for a while!) and so on.

So perhaps someone here will be so kind to spell it out for me clearly.

Have I completely got the wrong idea? Do former GRCers feel they have a story to tell, or is it a case of thinking it isn't worth telling? That no one would listen? Is something greater at play?

Can I say as an outsider, that I believe that a lot of people unrelated to GRC dismiss it as just another 'happy clappy' church which hasn't a real lot going on...and certainly causes no real harm.

Could educating the wider public save a few more cursed souls from falling into the clutches of this mob?

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Galien
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RE:Telling the world about GRC??
(Date Posted:15/07/2009 02:06:45)


Is there a reason I do not understand that would explain former members not wanting to say too much? I understand some will still have loved ones involved in the cult - but is there anything else? What is actionable about telling of real events which occurred in a person's own past? Yes, I know I can be a bit thick sometimes.

LSlurper there is a lot of pain in it for some people. Some just want to leave it behind and never visit it again.

Sure, many forum members probably know each other's real identities, but there still seems to be a veil of secrecy (to a certain extent) over GRC even after leaving...or am I mistaken?

A lot of people still have family in it.

GRC does seem to be a scary place, but surely it is no where as powerful as say, Exclusive Bretheren - as from what I can follow GRC doesn't have enough brains to organise themselves into such a dominant business force as the likes of the EB, managing to bring govt on board (at least for a while!) and so on.

It is the personal impact of the spiritual abuse on the individual that is the problem. If you place your spiritual trust in a group of people then are betrayed, for some people that can cause mental and emotional illness, depression and even psychotic breaks. It is more about the meaning the individual places on the betrayal, the depth of trust that has been broken and their sensivity than the nature of the betrayal itself.

One of the reasons it is so hard to take churches to court is that emotional damage is difficult to quantify, and difficult to prove. Churches seem to get away with behaviour in our culture that would not be tolerated in any workplace. It is all the more damaging because we are talking about a person's spirituality, for a lot of people the deepest part of their psyche.

Have I completely got the wrong idea? Do former GRCers feel they have a story to tell, or is it a case of thinking it isn't worth telling? That no one would listen? Is something greater at play?

A lot of people have been here for a while and have already told their stories. Some people are so deeply hurt but cannot articulate the level of the damage done. Still others retreat into other belief systems or just don't want to think about it at all. We all are survivors and we all have a story worth telling. People don't always listen though. They can be dismissive about the amount of damage a church can cause. I personally know of two young men who suicided because of things the church allowed to happen in once case, and their complete lack of understanding of mental illness in another. A lot of people have a "just get over it" attitude. For some of us the damage is just too great and has destroyed our trust. For others, they have managed to find a faith community they feel happy and safe in.

Can I say as an outsider, that I believe that a lot of people unrelated to GRC dismiss it as just another 'happy clappy' church which hasn't a real lot going on...and certainly causes no real harm.

Could educating the wider public save a few more cursed souls from falling into the clutches of this mob?

Maybe. Thank goodness it is only a small percentage of people who get dragged into it in the first place.

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I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day. So there.

LSlurper
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Registered:17/01/2009

Re:Telling the world about GRC??
(Date Posted:15/07/2009 02:20:33)

Galien:

Thanks for your response....I will read through more thoroughly in a moment!

I just wanted to say, that when referring to legal threats I meant that has GRC threatened people legally about not revealing certain things - rather than individuals taking GRC to court.

Thanks,

LS x

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ladeedaa
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Registered:10/07/2009

Re:Telling the world about GRC??
(Date Posted:15/07/2009 06:53:33)

Have I completely got the wrong idea? Do former GRCers feel they have a story to tell, or is it a case of thinking it isn't worth telling? That no one would listen? Is something greater at play?
 >> when i told mine, no one belived me. when i tell it now, people think im mad. they cant understand how a sensible person allows an organisation to do this to them. they have no comprehension of the emotional, mental, spiritual and physical links or ties that have developed, and the disaster that would occur by destroying these. it simply is beyond their comprehension. for a peson who has been through that, to tell it agian, to try and convince others they are completly saqne and stable, sometimes its too difficult. and no one wants to be pitied. thats another sympton of telling a story. ive seen it first hand.
LSlurper
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Registered:17/01/2009

RE:Telling the world about GRC??
(Date Posted:20/07/2009 01:41:37)


ladeedaa:


Re:Telling the world about GRC??
(Date Posted:15/07/2009 22:53:33)

"Have I completely got the wrong idea? Do former GRCers feel they have a story to tell, or is it a case of thinking it isn't worth telling? That no one would listen? Is something greater at play?
 >> when i told mine, no one belived me.

when i tell it now, people think im mad. they cant understand how a sensible person allows an organisation to do this to them.

they have no comprehension of the emotional, mental, spiritual and physical links or ties that have developed, and the disaster that would occur by destroying these. it simply is beyond their comprehension. for a peson who has been through that, to tell it agian, to try and convince others they are completly saqne and stable,

sometimes its too difficult. and no one wants to be pitied. thats another sympton of telling a story. ive seen it first hand. "


It is such a shame that GRC seemingly goes on undetected - year after year - no doubt swallowing up even more people who might eventually, like so many of the posters here, leave, escape, or be 'put out'.

There is a very important group of stories that need telling.

To pity those who have survived is to miss (IMHO) a greater message.

For what it is worth - I believe that it is all too possible a sensible, sane person can get involved with this organisation.

I have seen it first hand.

If outsiders were made more aware of the kind of pressure tactics used, perhaps there'd be less chance such recollections would be met with pity or disbelief?

What so many of you have experienced IS important! It IS relevant!!!

So yes, I have to admit to not yet really understanding the apparent preference to keep these experiences mostly confined to sharing with other ex-members.

But I do appreciate that it is painful and difficult to remember.

I suppose, I wonder if a wider 'exposure' of GRC might be helpful to some? And no, I am not talking about muck-racking, or trying to bring the place down....just simple information sharing.

LS x

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