I just had to replay on this topic.  Following is not my experience but another so called backslider member of Bombay assembly.

This ex-member once bumped into a 11-12 year old assembly member at the Bombay railway station.  This young boy was begging on the station for money.  Guess why.  He did not have enough money to buy a ticket to go to attend meeting.  This young boy and many other poor (slum dwellers) members of the assembly had told us that they had no money to buy train ticket and have regularly travelled without ticket risking police discipline.  They were put in such a lot of pressure by Reg and Ronny to attend meetings that they regularly risked going to jail for it.  Where is compassion for these naive souls.  And does not scripture say that children of the righteous will not beg.       

When Reg ran away from Bombay he sold his 5 year old TV to the guardian of this young boy for twice the market price.  Bloody Butcher. 

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Its funny, these's this one GRC member i run into in the street nearly 2-3 times a week. I think its driving him nuts, lol. As we used to be good mates i'm always happy to see him. But sadly the look of Hate fills his eye's, and is such a strain for him to nod his head and mutter the words hello.But at time's i have also met other current members who are happy to have a little chit chat.So how have you all found running into current members?

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Reply to : 3 second kissesIts funny, these's this one GRC member i run into in the street nearly 2-3 times a week. I think its driving him nuts, lol. As we used to be good mates i'm always happy to see him. But sadly the look of Hate fills his eye's, and is such a strain for him to nod his head and mutter the words hello.But at time's i have also met other current members who are happy to have a little chit chat.So how have you all found running into current members?I hope I don't run into any on them.

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Its funny, these's this one GRC member i run into in the street nearly 2-3 times a week. I think its driving him nuts, lol. As we used to be good mates i'm always happy to see him. But sadly the look of Hate fills his eye's, and is such a strain for him to nod his head and mutter the words hello.But at time's i have also met other current members who are happy to have a little chit chat.So how have you all found running into current members?

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one experiance i had,  was with  "one " member  ( dubious character ) at a check-out counter. 

I told the attendant to let them go first before me !   This amazed them, it probably made them think I was the  " one " feeling  uncomfortable,or  lowly ...until I said to the attendant...."  that it's because I want them in front of me as I don' t  trust them ! You should have seen them ! they / he did't know what to do as everyone near heard and watched  " my little seen ". I'd made sure everyone knew !       I just wish it was Naughty Noel but still....I sinfully revelled in  the moment.

Now that is the way to handle " some " of those  " prickerly  " GRC people while the innocent and genuine members I would gladly offer them my place .    

always tell the truth

motmot

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Reply to : Anonymous"The funniest episode was when a female assembly member saw me in the supermarket at one end of the aisle as I was approaching from the other, and I kid you not, bent down and stuck her head right into the freezer section. I cracked up laughing as I walked by!!"ROFL!!That is so funny! Yes that group does do so funny stuff to the head, thats for sure. I actually find it amusing the way they act, when they run into ex-members or though at times can hurt abit. Bad boy Noal and his @#%$ up doctrins!So your still going?What keeps you there with a hall filled with Hypicrites????????? Thinking there Gods little soilder's and the worlds only help! lol.

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I was walking through Myer with my two daughers, they were fairly young at the time 4 & 6.  There was an elderly woman from the assembly in front of me, quite well know to many, sings her head off, solo.  Well, she turned around and saw me walking just behind her, I went to say hello but the look she gave me was filled with such anger and hatred it stopped me in my tracks.  It really really hurt me because I had my daughters with me, who saw this look, and also knew this woman.  She truly stood there for a number of seconds, stopping me from walking, just glaring at me.  I've never had such a horrible experience since, thank goodness for that.  It did do one thing though, it showed my daughters how ridiculous some assembly members' behavious can be.  Even though they were young they still could see the anger behind that look.  That rubbish doesn't wash with kids, their more intuitive and less bound up with grudges and hatred.  I've sat back and watched the GRC undo itself infront of my girls.   I wonder what that elderly woman got out of trying to humiliate me like that.

You'd think they would take the opportunity of seeing a backslider as one to show off just how nice and happy they are and try to win you back by showing just how loving and Jesus-like they are. But NOOOooo... most of the time it's just a good excuse to condescend and show their supposed superiority.

Interesting how they even start shunning before you leave... when you look wounded and weak and notsomuch on fire. Like vultures starting to circle the next carcass. I think they get excited when the bad vines get pruned off so that the rest of the plant can get even stonger. Makes for good after meeting conversation.

Change is hard, but kids are resilient. They move on and learn. I'm grateful I got mine out of Revival when I did before they got too intwined.

Last week, my wife was in a hair salon where she knows her hairdresser fairly well.  The hairdresser is well aware of the GRC and she has other clients from the GRC (one family in particular)  who take the opportunity to Bible bash her when getting their hair done.  When my wife arrived for her appointment last week, the hairdresser apologised to my wife for not realising she had booked one of these GRCer's in for the next appointment.  My wife told her she was not concerned about it at all.  The hairdresser was running a little late and the GRCer arrived about 10 minutes before my wife was finished.  My wife and this GRCer were quite good friends before; they went shopping and did other things together.  As soon as she walked in and saw my wife, she was obviously uncomfortable and without greeting, told the hairdresser she would come back latter and then walked out.  Naturally, this got the hairdresser and my wife talking about GRC stuff,  AGAIN.  There is no way this "new soul" will ever step inside the GRC, and the zealots who are wasting their breath talking about the GRC to her, are also acting in such ways to reassure her that she should never get involved in the cult.  Anyhow, after the appointment, my wife walked out to her car which happened to be parked near the GRCer who was sitting in her car, waiting for my wife to leave.  My wife decided to sit in her car for a few minutes until the GRCer  finally decided to go in.  I'm sure it would have been more pleasant for a NORMAL person to sit in the salon's waiting area with a coffee and read Vogue magz, instead of waiting in the car for quarter of an hour.  We all know how pathetic these GRC zealots are, but I still feel sorry for them at times.

What keeps me, or rather us, there?

dear concerned  GRC 'r,

 I sympathize with your plight about   " staying  "  in the GRC for the sake of your children, and I don't like to give advice but rather hopefully , give you choices , and so , let it be of your decision. ......( gee, I sound like Naughty Noel !  tell you what to do but take no responsibility ).

Now as I no longer attend, I can see it from the other side of the fence, and I would get your children ( and yourself ) out of there !      It might seem like trouble or embarrassment for a time but that is far better than the multitude of problems that could lay ahead.  

" We ", on this forum, are speaking to you from our own experiances. We shudder and shake at what happens to beautifull God-fairing families who get torn apart when  " things go wrong "....because you have  "fallen out of favour " with  " those who must be obeyed "

You are like all parents, who want the best for your children and frankly, the GRC will NOT let that happen !  Noel Hollins will dictate over your life and family  unless you take control.  Of course , when Naughty Noel realizes this ...your out  anyway !

Who has the right take your future ( and children ) and  " sufficate ", by hindering promotions , careers or travel  etc...God said to "  take the world and subdue it  ".  Isn't that what man has always done ? Look at what science has achieved by looking at Creation through the microscope. The wonderfull life-saving medicines Doc's have found etc............but Noel wont let you have them ! 

Bottom line..... save your family and your souls.

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"I was walking through Myer with my two daughers, they were fairly young at the time 4 & 6. There was an elderly woman from the assembly in front of me, quite well know to many, sings her head off, solo. Well, she turned around and saw me walking just behind her, I went to say hello but the look she gave me was filled with such anger and hatred it stopped me in my tracks. It really really hurt me because I had my daughters with me, who saw this look, and also knew this woman. She truly stood there for a number of seconds, stopping me from walking, just glaring at me. I've never had such a horrible experience since, thank goodness for that. It did do one thing though, it showed my daughters how ridiculous some assembly members' behavious can be. Even though they were young they still could see the anger behind that look. That rubbish doesn't wash with kids, their more intuitive and less bound up with grudges and hatred. I've sat back and watched the GRC undo itself infront of my girls. I wonder what that elderly woman got out of trying to humiliate me like that."

"There was an elderly woman from the assembly in front of me, quite well know to many, sings her head off, solo."

I gess thats how you become with a son like T.A. He is just as bad as Noal in regard to poisoning the minds of the sheep. But even he is reaping the result of being a abusive cult leader, his little group is in shambles, no growth, people leaving, waking up to the lies and deceptions and hevy sheparding. Yes poison that is what it is, braindwashed into thinking that anyone who leaves there little group is wicked, unsaved, and backslidden, but the truth is this is nothing more than a joke. But it is sad that they act this way when they meet ex-members, i have found that 9 out of 10 people in the GRC dont come anywhere close to having the heart of Christ, with love, sincerity, and just plan old fasion care.

"it showed my daughters how ridiculous some assembly members' behavious can be."

Yes it did, ridiculous is the right word.
Maybe someone should ask Noal about the gudeline at the back that says "any member out of fellowship
is not to be spoken too or helped"
What sick mind or book  does this rule come from? This rule and behaivor does't come for Gods Word.
Nor Noal's rules about dealing with ex members.

I will not use the word Backslidder, for this is a play on words on Noals behalf. A backslidder to Noal is any one who wakes up to his tricks and false doctrin's and therefore a threat to his mini empire.

Which is in decline.

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Thankyou for all the advice!It is very sad though to thinkthat we have spent over 20 years of our lives in the assembly and as soon as we leave,we know that there will be people who we really like and even love, thatwill never speak to us again. It' s a crazy, crazy place and people in the world would not believe it if you told them that! We used to fear about talking to "backsliders" and now we look back and think it's so laughable. My biggest regret is cutting our families and our friends off because those 20+ years can never be brought back. My kids have no memories of growing up with them, nor they with them. I do feeldeep resentmentat the assembly for imposing such restrictionsand anger at myself for not having seen it earlier.

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Reply to : AnonymousThankyou for all the advice!It is very sad though to thinkthat we have spent over 20 years of our lives in the assembly and as soon as we leave,we know that there will be people who we really like and even love, thatwill never speak to us again. It' s a crazy, crazy place and people in the world would not believe it if you told them that! We used to fear about talking to "backsliders" and now we look back and think it's so laughable. My biggest regret is cutting our families and our friends off because those 20+ years can never be brought back. My kids have no memories of growing up with them, nor they with them. I do feeldeep resentmentat the assembly for imposing such restrictionsand anger at myself for not having seen it earlier.

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Dear           What keeps me, or rather us, there?

We can  never say  " never ".  I know how you feel with the loss of  your 20yrs+ but then again you were happy doing other things , such as raising a family and more importantly,  doing that which you thought  was right.  We all wish for things we can't have and if we could and knew that...then we would pick next weeks Tattslotto numbers.

So your task then should be to mend those broken bridges. It can be done and you'll be the better for it . It will show character and strength, one who has the intesternal fortitude to be a leader. Look at how your kids future will benefit after family ties are re-established. So look past your   "years" lost and those yet to come .

So.... Come- On !

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Thankyou for all the advice!It is very sad though to thinkthat we have spent over 20 years of our lives in the assembly and as soon as we leave,we know that there will be people who we really like and even love, that will never speak to us again. It' s a crazy, crazy place and people in the world would not believe it if you told them that! We used to fear about talking to "backsliders" and now we look back and think it's so laughable. My biggest regret is cutting our families and our friends off because those 20+ years can never be brought back. My kids have no memories of growing up with them, nor they with them. I do feeldeep resentmentat the assembly for imposing such restrictionsand anger at myself for not having seen it earlier.

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Hi Anonymous.

Having turned your back on hypocrisy, you have begun your journey to follow after truth.  You are ready to exit the GRC Pty Ltd by possessing this degree of honesty and integrity.

Careful planning is the key to the best passage way out of there.  Several people I am in contact with privately are planning and executing their escape from the GRC Pty Ltd.  (Perhaps you are one of them?)  It is very easy to do - just keep following what is in your heart. 

Individual's circumstances vary considerably.  In most cases, it is better to stay there for awhile until you get all your 'ducks lined up'.  Then at the right time, you can waddle out of there together and explore the wonderful new life God has given.

Feel free to contact me anytime if you have questions or just wanna chat.  Take care.

Regards, David.

mob:  0407 946 267    email:  revival-assist@hotmail.com

some time ago, I saw a current member ........they were about 10 metres away.........  they said "hi mum"  and kept walking

I felt gutted

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some time ago, I saw a current member ........they were about 10 metres away......... they said "hi mum" and kept walking

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Sometimes you need to be cautious when posting as some things you say may highlight just who you are. Remember Noel has a very good memory, he remembers saying and not saying statements. But you can rest assured he'll never be able to identify this Mum because he has wrecked so many good families with ridiculous GRC policy that these days it is truely a fragmented Church, both in doctrine and FAMILIES.

Another good testimony for the GRC coffin. 

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some time ago, I saw a current member ........they were about 10 metres away......... they said "hi mum" and kept walkingI felt gutted

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Reply to : Anonymous"but when you're on the other side of the fence you see it for the repulsive thing that it really is. Destroying families."I'v had 3 genarations of family screwed up by his wacked up doctrins!!!

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I have had 2 generations of my family screwed up too.

 So don't be so quick to judge me (3 second kisses) I'm a genuine team member. and I  AM  NOT  A  DOCTOR .

I havent read through this entire thread (JB clouding my mind and all )

but since I left in 1990 I havent seen many members at all , I did however start work at a company in 1996 (and im still there now) that had a fellow that attended meetings (Ironically it was my family that introduced him to the church)

he and my family were very good frinds (before and during the church) he has now gone overseas to live with his wife at a church in the philipines, which brings up the issue of NH not liking inter racial marriages , I wonder how he got round that problem >????) but I worked with him for the next 5 or 6 years and we never had a problem.

he often asked if I ever considered coming back ,to which I replied "yes" I had often considered going back but being a yonug buck of the world I didnt want to be left in a corner and not experience life and was enjoying who i was and who i was seeing.

he was always friendly to me and often asked after my family and how they were doing.

when he left the company to go overseas I wished him well with his endeavours (including the church) and to this day wish only the best for him , I consider him a friend and he treated me like one as well so I have respect.

and therein lies the answer.

RESPECT.

It goes both ways and from what ive read its only coming from one direction , which is the truly sad part.

CHEERS
Ray Singcar

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Reply to : Anonymous"Thankyou for all the advice!It is very sad though to thinkthat we have spent over 20 years of our lives in the assembly and as soon as we leave,we know that there will be people who we really like and even love, thatwill never speak to us again. It' s a crazy, crazy place and people in the world would not believe it if you told them that! We used to fear about talking to "backsliders" and now we look back and think it's so laughable. My biggest regret is cutting our families and our friends off because those 20+ years can never be brought back. My kids have no memories of growing up with them, nor they with them. I do feeldeep resentmentat the assembly for imposing such restrictionsand anger at myself for not having seen it earlier.""we know that there will be people who we really like and even love, thatwill never speak to us again."Sa

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             I too have gone through just what I have read in this post. My family and all our lives have gone through this same trauma. The years now have gone by, and the same destruction still goes on year after year. Noel Hollins  MUST HAVE TO ANSWER TO WHAT HE HAS DONE. And his corrupted team of....  SHIT .... They are nothing but dung under our feet. The sooner we all get this message out to innocent people who are genually seeking  the love of the lord, that the G.R.C. isn't the place to find a loving God.The God we know him to be. N.H. plays on peoples minds to the point of extreme fear , He traps peoples minds by the   FEAR   of the way out doctrines he instills into their minds  .BRAINWASHING   is the word.   BE WARE     BEWARE    and again  please be   AWARE   of what they are doing to you. ( A  WOLF  IN  SHEEPS  CLOTHING )That is definately how it feels.

It has been said to me on many occaisions and yet again just lately ........  have you ever noticed  the   "appearance " of some current GRC members ?..... in particular , their eyes. They quite often have a strange "  glazed " look about them, as if   " the lights are on , but there's nobody home "  .  

I know of several who look like this,  have any of you noticed this or other strange  behaviour.    eg.  anti-social-ness, ( don't mix ).   This may not necessarily only apply to current members but also to some who have been thrown-out / abused , who can suffer the same consequences.

My friend who has never been affiliated with the GRC or other , works in the Geelong Hospital . He is often in  contact with  GRC ( or ex.) members and repeatedly says to us    ..... "did you see their eyes, did you see their eyes ?  ......  I see  ' that look '  in people when I'm in the  Swanston Ward " - ( the NQR Ward as he calls it ,  [ NQR = not quite right ] ).

When this was bought to my attention " just lately " , I was asked ... "why is it ?  why are they like this ?"  Well,  you are probably aware as to why and we could go on about it for ages, but it basically comes down to  " these people  being programed  to be Loyal - Blind followers of Noel Hollins ministry ". So from there-on, they live their lives totally different than normal people and rely even more on Noel Hollins's guidance as time progresses......... a  tradgity in the waiting !   This is the begining of how to screw-up peoples minds and unfortunately, it effects some beautifull , innocent , God- faring people . Not all fall foul to this abuse , but one can never judge as to whom it will effect or leave effected.

 To all those who feel  that there life seems confused , scared, frightened, embarrassed, or even think you are a little crazy,  take heart,  because you now can recognize what's happening to you .......  you are progressing  back to a normal life ....  congratulations .

Our life is our own, lets live it.

 Come-On !

sometimes I see quite a few people out, although because I attended the avondale heights assembly i dont see many people in geelong, only go to geelong every now and then.

most just look away in disgust, but there are a couple of people who regularly i see at the gym etc in my local area and they still say hi and we have a bit of a chat about everything.

I have time for these people, they are good people who actually care about souls.

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ran into the big man himself 'Herbie' in the Waurn Ponds Target...he was the one who ran down an aisle away from where I was when he saw me, funnily enough he marched straight through all the ladies lingerie...the irony cracked me up.

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I meet elder Peter Morgon in the super market one sun morning, its just so funny at times to see how freaked out they  can get.lol!!!!!!!!!!

Why??....

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Don't most of them think that "backsliding" is a disease that can be passed on by association or even talking to someone who has left.

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Yes, it would appear so, just like leprosy, but in some I think they have a fear of guilt that if they are  " seen to be talking to us " , that they will be classified to be " guilty by association ". Such is the workings of GRC.

It has been very remiss of me , not to give the GRC it's proper title  ......   it is  GRC Pty Ltd.    IT  IS  NOT  A  CHURCH  OR  TEMPLE  OR  HOLY PLACE  LET  ALONE  AN  ASSEMBLY  ...... it is a business and a profitable one at that . Remember ,  it    WAS   your money once !

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Reply to : BJs_GirlI meet elder Peter Morgon in the super market one sun morning, its just so funny at times to see how freaked out they can get.lol!!!!!!!!!!Why??....

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Reply to : Revival BashedReply to : BJs_GirlI meet elder Peter Morgon in the super market one sun morning, its just so funny at times to see how freaked out they can get.lol!!!!!!!!!!Why??....Are you sure it was a Sunday? I thought it would be a sin to support people working on the sabbath day!

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Yep, i'm sure, IGA SUPER MARKET, in geelong west.

Should he be judged by stoning? lol...

If the GRC was around in Bible days, they probably would have stoned you for leaving! lol...lol...

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Its funny, these's this one GRC member i run into in the street nearly 2-3 times a week. I think its driving him nuts, lol. As we used to be good mates i'm always happy to see him. But sadly the look of Hate fills his eye's, and is such a strain for him to nod his head and mutter the words hello.But at time's i have also met other current members who are happy to have a little chit chat.So how have you all found running into current members?

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Upon running into several current attending GRC'ers, I have found the reception to be, in my experience, very polite and well mannered (very Canadian).  Unfortunately, this means bupkiss (NOTHING).  In light of the gravity  of the situation (apparentlly we are all backsliders & will be burning in hell), I fail to understand their behaviour - quite nice & well mannered, but generally a hesitancy to speak of the  seriousness of what has happened regarding the current Vancouver event.

You know - "How are the  kids? Oh that's nice.  So how's work...um hmm that's good." If I can be so bold - total baloney.

So my experience?  Poopoo.

I am not ashamed, as I have done nothing  wrong.  I am not uncomfortable, for I haven't turned my back on Christ.  And I am most certainly not 'convicted' of any  wrongdoing, as they may believe.  So anytime I see them - let's talk - why not?  I'm enjoying life in the blessing of God - are you?

I stood up for Jesus Christ; I did not sit down for Noel Hollins.

I Remain Standing.

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You won't get any members to talk about what has happened your lucky to get that much out of them. If you want to talk about the

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Yes, I suppose I would rather not have that type of an interaction - I don't particularly enjoy phony.  Lucky to get that out of them?  Pfft - can get it from any John  Doe on the street, and more at that.

We are talking about 20+ people who are apparently going to burn in hell for an eternity - and the circumstances surrounding the one in Vancouver.....I would expect a bit more faith in God and courage on behalf of those remaining to stand up and say 'Hold on - why did so many people just get tossed out?'  Does not anyone wonder???  They are used to one leaving, then maybe another, as people may slowly fall away.  But a large group all at once? 

I am just simply saying that I am truly AMAZED that those remaining don't care enough (or seem to) to look into the seriousness of it all - after all, burning in hell for an eternity is extremely serious.  And talking about the kiddies and work just seems a little too much like the Truman Show.  But all things considered, I can understand any fear as well that some may have.  It's an odd situation that's for sure.

Anyhow - that's me two-bits - just an opinion. 

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You won't get any members to talk about what has happened your lucky to get that much out of them. If you want to talk about the seriousness of what has happened phone the pastor up or phone Nat like Revival Relief did. Nat seems open to talk to those who left the GRC.

Would you rather that the person no have spoken to you at all?

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Hello rtas_d

I believe I feel the same way as Spartacas in that I would rather that they be themselves without the "Hollins" attitude.

Last week I drove into a service station for fuel and Richard Long was returning to his car after paying for his fuel purchase.  He saw me looking at him and I waved and he just gave a nod as he walked by my car.  I got out of my car and said 'hello', and he just gave me another nod.  The look on his face from the first moment I saw him was what bemused me the most.  Richard was always a joyful person when I knew him but he looked very sad and miserable.  Of course me looking at him didn't cheer him up at all either.  The sad look on his face stayed in my mind for hours after.  I have never seen him looking so miserable, but with all that is going on in the GRC, I know that Richard is the type of guy who would be getting torn up inside because of it.  I have never spoken to Richard since leaving the GRC.  He was my 'best man' at my wedding and I know the only reason he could not talk with me is because of the influence and control of Noel Hollins over him.

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 I know that Richard is the type of guy who would be getting torn up inside because of it.  I have never spoken to Richard since leaving the GRC.  He was my 'best man' at my wedding and I know the only reason he could not talk with me is because of the influence and control of Noel Hollins over him.

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I was so saddened when I read this post, just another example of law & restrictions put on people by men who think that they know the expectation and will of God. There is NO way that God would have it for a person to treat another the way they do, because of some mis-guided doctrine (of men).  The bible describes simply the love and will of God and it does NOT include the vicious ways that some would treat others.

Reply to : Revival Relief      I used to go all funny when I saw "THEM" when I first left. My heart would beat strangely and I couldn't breath properly and then after being "out" for awhile I realised it was "THEM" who were wrong and silly, not me, I decided to have some fun when I saw "THEM" so I would stare "THEM" straight in the eye and say "HEELLOOOOOO!!!!, how are you, so gooooood to see you !!" If they didn't answer I would say it louder until it became an embarrassment for "THEM" not to reply.

The best bit of fun I had was with one poor guy who was so serious. I saw him in the lifts at one of the shopping centres in Geelong. He stepped into the lift which had about 10 people and myself in it and  when he saw me, he tried to step out again, but the doors had already closed. He stepped from one foot to the other, very nervous and as soon as the lift door opened he literally jumped  out, so I leaned around the door and said,"The devil's gonna get you now!" and he actually screamed and started to run up into the carpark.

I was well satisfied, as I have actually had "THEM" get up and leave restaurants when I have walked in ,cross to the other side of the road etc., so I am quite happy to cause a little bit of grief.

Now after being out for so long, I don't even notice "THEM" to be honest and I am very happy with that!!

They were warned off speaking to me from the platform at one stage. ( what a stupid saying.) Noddy was frightened that I might enlighten "THEM" as to some pretty wrong things that were going on in there at the time.

Those were the days, eh?

Cheers,

Glad

Reply to : rtas_dYou won't get any members to talk about what has happened your lucky to get that much out of them. If you want to talk about the seriousness of what has happened phone the pastor up or phone Nat like Revival Relief did. Nat seems open to talk to those who left the GRC.Would you rather that the person no have spoken to you at all?Hello rtas_dI believe I feel the same way as Spartacas in that I would rather that they be themselves without the "Hollins" attitude.Last week I drove into a service station for fuel and Richard Long was returning to his car after paying for his fuel purchase. He saw me looking at him and I waved and he just gave a nod as he walked by my car. I got out of my car and said 'hello', and he ju

There is NO way that God would have it for a person to treat another the way they do, because of some mis-guided doctrine (of men).

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I specifically remember Noel Hollins giving a talk and in it he said words to this effect .........

If you wish to know if you are doing the  " right thing " , then put yourself in this position. If the Lord was to walk through the door right now, would you feel guilt or not  considering what you were doing at that very moment. If you have a clear conscience, then you were doing the " right thing " !

So after hearing witnessing and reading all the atrocious  actions at the hand of Noel's ministry, it is obvious that  Noel never practiced what he preached, even when he did minister some good doctrine. ( I don't believe I even wrote that ! 

As for Richard Long or any others, what a sad state they have put themselves in. When you see or here of other churches or ministries that have " gone out into the world to preach the gospel " , although they endure much triblation etc , they still turn the other cheek, and confront the heathen ways. That's far different than the snivelling re-action one gets  from such so-called strong ,blessed men ( women ) of God who are supposed to be the Stalwarts of the Word of God who try to ignore or pretend they don't see you when your paths cross.

It goes to show you just how blinkered they have become. The really sad part is , these were or maybe still are extreemly good ,well meaning people with the best of intentions, but to the rest of the " norm ", they are perceived as rude blithering idiots. Their actions have all come from Noel's influence,  " a doctrine of spiritual hypnotism where the cloud fogs the normal wisdom of sain people ".  It's true, I , we have all been there, done that and seen it.

Our best and closest friends have turned us away because of  the influence of Noel...........   " Good friends walk in when everyone else walks out ! "

Come-On !

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Reply to : Revival Relief I used to go all funny when I saw "THEM" when I first left. My heart would beat strangely and I couldn't breath properly and then after being "out" for awhileI realised it was "THEM" who were wrong and silly, not me, I decided to have some fun when I saw "THEM" so I would stare"THEM" straight in the eye and say "HEELLOOOOOO!!!!, how are you, so gooooood to see you !!" If they didn't answer I would say it louder until it became an embarrassment for"THEM" not to reply.The best bit of fun I had was with one poor guy who was so serious. I saw himin the lifts at one of the shopping centres in Geelong. He stepped into the lift which had about 10 people and myself in it and when he saw me, he tried to step out again, but th

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Hmmm....something to think about ain't it?  Consider this:  if we are so wrong, why are the supposed 'right' ones:

i)    uncomfortable, nervous, shifty in our presence

ii)   lol - crossing the road to avoid us

iii) can't look us in the eye (based on human studies - a sign of a guilt-ridden person as I understand....or a liar)

iv) frightened as though they may be killed on the spot or punished (aghast - the 'blessing might be removed'!) just because they're in our presence

Seems to me that if I truly did something wrong against God and His word, I would be demonstrating these traits, for the most part.  No?

I Remain Standing.

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Reply to : rtas_dYou won't get any members to talk about what has happened your lucky to get that much out of them........

We are talking about 20+ people who are apparently going to burn in hell for an eternity - and the circumstances surrounding the one in Vancouver.....I would expect a bit more faith in God and courage on behalf of those remaining to stand up and say 'Hold on - why did so many people just get tossed out?'  Does not anyone wonder???  They are used to one leaving, then maybe another, as people may slowly fall away.  But a large group all at once? 

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I found this interesting.......the 20+ people were quite involved in the assembly, most of them saved 5 - 18 yrs:

3 Directors of the 'Society' (registered as a non-profit)

an elder

a youngies leader

6+ brothers used in the ministry in other parts of Canada

10 musicians

a babysitting coordinator (+ 2 former)

a current sunday school teacher (+ many former)

a duty roster coordinator (title?)

a rides coordinator

a camp coordinator

a recorder of the words (?)

a keeper of the books (those approved of NH of course)

I don't think they do wonder, as many of the ones that remain had the same concerns as the ones that left...to scared to admit it though...