HOLLINS - DEPALMA / VANCOUVER RESCUE MISSION:

There is much anticipation with some current members who remain in the Vancouver department of the GRC Pty Ltd, awaiting the arrival of Noel Hollins later this month.  The GRC's sole share holder and administrator, Mr Noel Hollins, is expecting to be confronted by several members with questions relating to GRC doctrinal heresy, and GRC conduct, particularly in regards to the mendacious behaviour and leadership of the ministry when the 'walk out' occurred.

If Noel Hollins remains consistent with the way he handles such questions, then members expect to receive long winded and 'off topic' answers.  Members who persistently demand real answeres to their questions will inevitably be expelled.

Since the Vancouver Assembly 'walk out' late last year, many eyes have been watching while people wait to see what will happen to the former pastor, Mr. Nat DePalma.  Perhaps we will soon find out???

It is believed by most involved with GRC ministry that Nat DePalma was Noel's "golden boy", particularly throughout the 1980's.  As all GRC pastors know, the arrangements with the DePalma's has been quite unique.  Inconsistently, Noel Hollins did not recall Nat DePalma, or even suggest that he should return to Geelong after the cessation of his ministerial position.

The DePalma's have remained in Calgary where they have established a family business.  A recent long discussion I had with Nat did make me feel that he was very comfortable and happy to continue living there, even though he served no purpose for the GRC.  (There are no GRC members in Calgary.)  The planned visit by Noel Hollins will include the DePalma's, as Noel Hollins is desperate to restore Nat to the GRC for several tactical reasons.  It is reasonable to speculate that this may happen before Noel Hollins makes an appearance at the Vancouver assembly meetings.

Noel Hollins' reputation of being partial will only be amplified if he successfully restores the DePalma's into the GRC organization.  His ingenious ability to manipulate circumstances and 'gloss over' debauchery will be recognized by those who hate hypocrisy.

I hope and pray that Mr. Nat DePalma is honest to himself and remembers the words he spoke in our recent discussion.  Mr. Nat DePalma told me he does NOT believe that Noel Hollins is the leader of the only true church in the world.  Mr. Nat DePalma claims he has NEVER applied the same spiritually abusive tactics adopted by the GRC.  Mr. Nat DePalma also stated that he will not be influenced by men, ONLY God.  Both Nat and I know that it is impossible to be honest and obedient to God's Word, while suporting the hypocrisy, deceit, and Spiritual Abuse of the GRC.

And birds of a feather WILL flock together.

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Mr. Nat DePalma told me he does NOT believe that Noel Hollins is the leader of the only true church in the world.  Mr. Nat DePalma claims he has NEVER applied the same spiritually abusive tactics adopted by the GRC.  Mr. Nat DePalma also stated that he will not be influenced by men, ONLY God.

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Well if Nat did say that, thats fantastic!

Within the leadership of the GRC you some how get the picture that Noal is far above every one like his a god or something, no pastors ever question him on nothing!

The dark spiritual abusive is a result of the GRC being a one man show! 

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If Noel Hollins remains consistent with the way he handles such questions, then members expect to receive long winded and 'off topic' answers.

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hypocrite
n : a person who professes beliefs and opinions that he does not hold.

con?cience
The awareness of a moral or ethical aspect to one's conduct together with the urge to prefer right over wrong:

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Is Nat behind Noel Hollins or the people who walked out? It is unlikely anyone would ever admit to committing spiritual abuse if they had comitted it.Should Nat come back to Geelong?

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Reply to : AnonymousIs Nat behind Noel Hollins or the people who walked out? It is unlikely anyone would ever admit to committing spiritual abuse if they had comitted it.Should Nat come back to Geelong?

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Why don't you just phone Nat and ask him for yourself, you can ask him anything, but then again you always could.  The ministry  in Vancouver was anything but abusive. Nat would listen show you the word and then leave it up to you to work it out in light of what he had shown you, if you didn't feel like doing it, it was your choice, he always left it up to you, he endeavoured to never interfere in you personal life, his philosphy was a simple one, I can still hear him saying this to the congregation as he preached this many many times - keep your heart in heaven, your eyes on the lord,  your feet on the ground, and the lord will take care of the rest.

I don't think Nat will ever leave Canada, if he does it will only be because the lord moved him to do so. But my guess is that if a new group started up in Calgary he will probably move to another city where there in no congregation, these days he prefers to be on his own so that no one can hurt him like he was hurt when he was in Vancouver.

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I hope and pray that Mr. Nat DePalma is honest to himself and remembers the words he spoke in our recent discussion.  Mr. Nat DePalma told me he does NOT believe that Noel Hollins is the leader of the only true church in the world.  Mr. Nat DePalma claims he has NEVER applied the same spiritually abusive tactics adopted by the GRC.  Mr. Nat DePalma also stated that he will not be influenced by men, ONLY God.  Both Nat and I know that it is impossible to be honest and obedient to God's Word, while suporting the hypocrisy, deceit, and Spiritual Abuse of the GRC.

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honest???..........hhhmmm...........let's just say he could sssstretch the truth good!!!  He was also good at judging members and sharing a little too much information between them!!! Looks like the judgements he's put upon many brothers has fallen upon him!! (you know, the old 'wife not in subjection' thing),.........he also ministered the GRC's "something wrong in your heart" doctrine for deaths and sicknesses,............and he put all the blame upon the congregation for him having to stand down and says he's done nothing wrong...........

hhhmmm.......not abusive???

oh ya, he did minister the only true church.................

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typical.......minister to the congregation that you must not move further than 30 minutes from the hall....of course, this only applies if you are not a Pastor (like many other things)!!!!!!!!!!!

who hurt who?????.....

"The Lord's sheep do not do these things..." - Noel Hollins..........

I am a bit confused here.  So, telll me, Nat is still a member of GRC ? 

If he is still a member of GRC, then how is he allowed to live where there is no fellowship ?  Some one mentioned here that Nat used to preach in Vancouver that you must not move further than 30 minutes from the hall. 

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I am a bit confused here. So, telll me, Nat is still a member of GRC ?If he is still a member of GRC, then how is he allowed to live where there is no fellowship ? Some one mentioned here that Nat used to preach in Vancouver that youmust notmove further than 30 minutes from the hall.

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Nat is still a member of the GRC.

The city of Vancouver has something like 2.2 million people.  Nat noticed that some in the Assembly were moving further away from the city. When he made the announcement  he said that if you lived 40 min from the hall to the north and wanted to visit someone who lived 40 min to the south from the hall we would spend 1hr and 20 min getting there that is from north to south, and another 1hr 20min to get back home. This meant that if we went to fellowship we would spend 2hrs and 40 min in the car driving. So he pinpointed the hall on a map and then drew a circle that was roughly about 40 mins away from the hall in all directions and asked us humbly and gently to try to stay within the circle when we felt to move into a new home or area. If you already lived outside the circle then he said that is ok don't move in but if in the future you felt to move to another location try to move somewhere that was inside the circle. The words must not were never used, nothing was written in stone, and for the matter nothing ever was. Some didn't move within the circle and moved further away, Nat was dissapointed that they felt to move further out but  no one was put out of fellowship, no one was told off. It was still our choice.His main concern was that if we lived to far out the chances were that any who sought for fellowship through the week would not want to drive 2hrs and 40 min. So it wasn't a law as he never made rules and regulations. But in his thinking his was right to be concerned because many people sought fellowship that was in close because it was to far to visit some especially if we had small children or had to get up early the next morning to go to work. Don't believe everything you hear about Nat, he really was a bullet that just didn't fit into the barrel with all the other bullets, over the years many visitors commented about how free we were in the fellowship. This dosen't mean that Nat was lawless, we were never without law unto God. It just means that Nat never overdrove us, had an abundance of grace, and for the most part was happy to let you work out your own salvation for yourself. I for one am yet to find anyman who had more patience with people, I don't know how he could be so patient.

The only time he would step in was when what you were doing was a poor testimony, or if you asked him for help. If would check up on us from time to time to see how we were doing, but outside of that he just preached the word and prayed that eventually we would finally get it. 

WOW!! Amazing how much support Nat has despite everything that happened.  I find it hard to believe that people in this forum would actually initiate that he was the victim and the saints were the ones that did the damage.

Maybe you weren't hurt by him because of the loyalty you profess.  Just like all the others that were used in his ministry.  You're ticket is to profess loyalty and your in the inner circle, fail to do so and you suffer misery.  Go ahead and deny this if you want.  But this is the truth. 

You can continue with your lies now and keep your high regards for the ever perfect Nat. 

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Reply to : From BrisbaneI am a bit confused here. So, telll me, Nat is still a member of GRC ?If he is still a member of GRC, then how is he allowed to live where there is no fellowship ? Some one mentioned here that Nat used to preach in Vancouver that youmust notmove further than 30 minutes from the hall.Nat is still a member of the GRC.The city of Vancouver has something like 2.2 million people. Nat noticed that some in the Assembly were moving further away from the city. When he made the announcement he said that if you lived 40 min from the hallto the north and wanted to visit someone who lived 40 min to the south from the hall we would spend 1hr and 20 min getting there that is from north to south, and another 1hr 20min to get back home

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Reply to : AnonymousReply to : From BrisbaneI am a bit confused here. So, telll me, Nat is still a member of GRC ?If he is still a member of GRC, then how is he allowed to live where there is no fellowship ? Some one mentioned here that Nat used to preach in Vancouver that youmust notmove further than 30 minutes from the hall.Nat is still a member of the GRC.The city of Vancouver has something like 2.2 million people. Nat noticed that some in the Assembly were moving further away from the city. When he made the announcement he said that if you lived 40 min from the hallto the north and wanted to visit someone who lived 40 min to the south from the hall we would spend 1hr and 20 min getting there that is from north to south, and another 1hr 20min to get back homeIts hard not

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None of the above, just thought in all fairness to level out the playing field. I would do the same for you if someone posted something and left it up to the imagination of others to possibly conclude the wrong thing about you. So many statements, so little imformation. Being mislead dosen't help anybody heal, just keeps people hurting, and angry. 

And no when you are single and have no husband or if you are a brother and have no wife 3 meetings a week isn't enough that's why I moved in closer and it worked for me, I started getting more fellowship. I work I have friends at work but I would rather be with people in the fellowship than hanging out with my work associates throughout the rest of the week.  

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Reply to : From BrisbaneI am a bit confused here. So, telll me, Nat is still a member of GRC ?If he is still a member of GRC, then how is he allowed to live where there is no fellowship ? Some one mentioned here that Nat used to preach in Vancouver that youmust notmove further than 30 minutes from the hall.Nat is still a member of the GRC.The city of Vancouver has something like 2.2 million people. Nat noticed that some in the Assembly were moving further away from the city. When he made the announcement he said that if you lived 40 min from the hallto the north and wanted to visit someone who lived 40 min to the south from the hall we would spend 1hr and 20 min getting there that is from north to south, and another 1hr 20min to get back home

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Yes it's true, he never put anybody out of fellowship for moving further away,HE just TALKED  about them to other saints, spreading his  dissapointment on those people which in my book  is just as bad or even worse. So please if you are going to defend him say the whole truth, not just part of it.

He  created division within his congregation.

Hello viewers.....

I have been considering recent posts in this thread and felt that there is a definite legitimacy behind the reasons why people are in conflict over what defines a Spiritually Abusive pastor.  Naturally every scenery looks different from opposite viewing points and so those who look at a certain pastor's behaviour from a semi comfortable seat controlled by the GRC organisation, can't see the wake of destruction left behind by such men who adhere to the cruel oppressor, Noel Hollins.  

Once upon a time, I was the same.  I fastened my eyes upon Noel Hollins, Tony Addison, Mic Brydon, Brian Griggs, and others, and like a fool, I believed every word they said.  I never got off my butt to go and find the people they slandered and defamed from the pulpit to find out the other side of the story for myself.  When I began to feel that I should actually do just that and search out the truth, I still didn't through fear of expulsion, which would also mean losing my family.

The problem we have in discussing the various pastor's abusive behaviour in this public forum, is that some people who post still haven't got their butt's up out of their semi comfy seat and gone to speak with the VICTIMS of SPIRITUAL ABUSE, caused by GRC pastor's.

When I was 'ministering the Word' in Bombay, I gave a sermon entirely on British-Israel as taught by Noel Hollins.  At the time, I didn't consider myself to be spiritually abusive.  Now I know better.  I was another one of Noel's bastard men, ramming a doctrinal theory into the minds of certain Indian folk.  Now no one challenged me about the sermon, so I wasn't put in the position which would have required me to stand a person down out of the fellowship for questioning the ministry.  But think about it seriously.  If one of them had known some truths about the British-Israel theory and had had more courage, then they would have been well within their rights to question.  So even just preaching a doctrine which is not historically proven in every aspect and forcing people to accept it or else face expulsion, is Spiritual Abuse.  Family's are torn apart, relationships destroyed, and many people's lives are disrupted by this kind of abuse which is executed by Noel Hollins and the GRC autocracy.

I don't have enough time to do this this morning, but it would be well worthwhile starting a thread that demonstrates examples of Spiritual Abuse.  Meanwhile, here is one for the Canadians:

A young couple experience the tragic grief of losing an infant child.  After the death of the child, the inner spiritual turmoil and condemnation resulting from the assembly doctrine tears the father apart.  Then one day and suddenly, he is no longer an attending member of the assembly.  Some concerned members go to the pastor asking about the man, after which they return to their comfy seat.  The wife struggles not only with the death of her infant, but also with the extra strain placed upon the marriage as a result of the 'assembly environment'.  She speaks with the pastor frequently and he senses that she may leave the fellowship too.  The pastor then tells her that if she leaves the assembly, she will not see her infant child in God's Kingdom, as she too will become a back-slider.  The pastor also tells her that the only way her infant child can enter God's Kingdom too, is by her remaining obedient to the ministry and following the Lord in the GRC allied assembly.

This is NOT pastoring and this is NOT the ministry of Christ.  This kind of pastoring  behaviour is undeniably, SPIRITUAL ABUSE.  This is how and why people's lives are shattered by the GRC autocracy.  Such abuse occurs purely to subjugate members through dire fear, and the supporting GRC members need to ask themselves WHY? 

Not only do these abusive pastors lock the doors to keep people in, but also, to keep the TRUTH out.

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Reply to : AnonymousWOW!! Amazing how much support Nat has despite everything that happened. I find it hard to believe that people in this forum would actually initiate that he was the victim and the saints were the ones that did the damage.Maybe you weren't hurt by him because of the loyalty you profess. Just like all the others that were used in his ministry. You're ticket is to profess loyalty and your in the inner circle, fail to do so and you suffer misery. Go ahead and deny this if you want. But this is the truth.You can continue with your lies now and keep your high regards for the ever perfect Nat.

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Nat's support comes from his immediate family.  They read and post here.

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Reply to : Anonymous I don't think Nat will ever leave Canada, if he does it will only be because the lord moved him to do so. But my guess is that if a new group started up in Calgary he will probably move to another city where there in no congregation, these days he prefers to be on his own so that no one can hurt him like he was hurt when he was in Vancouver.

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Wow, so nat is a freelancer now.. Wonder how the other "Pastors" feel about this special treatment.

Forsake not the gathering of yourselves....So much for the Word.

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NH should be in Canada by now

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Any news ?

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 Well it seems as though Noel has made Nat an offer he just can't refuse, unless he (Nat) truly is a God fearing man with some integrity.

I'll check it out some more before elaborating any further, but if it is true, then Noel Hollins will have proven to the world that he is a pathetic looser, trying desperately to save face in front of his despondent throng.  Noel could only stoop this low out of desperation; desperate men do desperate things.  Unfortunately for Noel, if he pulls this one off then there is going to be more unhappy GRC campers.  If Nat accepts this joke of an offer, then the jury will confidently deliver their verdict as to which report is the truth, in regards to the former Vancouver ministry.

Too bad for you Noel, that all the dirt comes out in the wash.

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Well it seems as though Noel has made Nat an offer he just can't refuse

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What sort of offer?

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Reply to : AnonymousReply to : AnonymousWOW!! Amazing how much support Nat has despite everything that happened. I find it hard to believe that people in this forum would actually initiate that he was the victim and the saints were the ones that did the damage.Maybe you weren't hurt by him because of the loyalty you profess. Just like all the others that were used in his ministry. You're ticket is to profess loyalty and your in the inner circle, fail to do so and you suffer misery. Go ahead and deny this if you want. But this is the truth.You can continue with your lies now and keep your high regards for the ever perfect Nat.Nat's support comes from his immediate family. They read and post here.

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Reply to : Revival ReliefWell itseems as though Noel has made Nat an offer he just can't refuseWhat sort of offer?

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Reply to : AnonymousReply to : Actually Nat has more supporters than any of you realize, both inside the GRC and outside. And the more Pastor's who come through here the more I am convinced that Nat was like a raison trying to fit into a chocolate chip cookie.

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Reply to : Revival BakedReply to : Revival ReliefWell itseems as though Noel has made Nat an offer he just can't refuseWhat sort of offer?Who ever said there has been an offer made to Nat doesnt know what they are talking about. I have contacted Nat. There has been no decisions made as of yet.

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You may say Nat doesnt have the ego, but he doesn't have a spine either. He put people out because his wife didn't like them.I wouldn't say Nat is a raisin trying to fit into a chocolte chip cookie more like he is the raisin and his wife is the fruitcake.Ok he is a raisin : a dried up chunk of fruit (grape) that once was part of a vine.

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I don't wish to make light of this but your post is very, very funny.  I really did have to chuckle.   It transends any form of nastiness .......  well done !

Come-On !

Reply to : Anonymous      Well we all know what having a long term disease is like and it will be with us all until the festering dung heap finally implodes. It's called "GIVINGUSTHESHITSITIS" 

Cheers,

Glad

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disease that will be with her for the rest of her life 

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Reply to : rtas_dAny news ?Well itseems as though Noel has made Nat an offer he just can't refuse, unless he (Nat) truly is a God fearing manwith someintegrity.I'll check it out some more before elaborating any further, but if it is true, then Noel Hollins will have proven to the world that he is a pathetic looser, trying desperately to save face in front of his despondent throng. Noelcould only stoopthis low out of desperation; desperate men do desperate things. Unfortunately for Noel, if he pulls this one off then there is going to be more unhappy GRC campers. If Nat accepts this joke of anoffer, then thejurywill confidently deliver their verdict as to which report is the truth,in

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David, what's happened with the N Depalma offer? And what offer was it? Now that Herbie is back home what's the deal? Is it just me or are we all intrigued?

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Herb is still in Canada spending hard earned  "rev tax" payer dollars running to and fro between Vancouver and Calgary.  The GRC'ers will be eager to hear the  "Hollins report" in a week or so, to find out if all the money Herb is spending to secure the DePalma name for GRC Pty Ltd, was worth while.  Herbie is keeping a tight lid on all this stuff.  Winning the DePalma's will feel like a strategic victory for Herbie and revenge against ALL those who walked out of the Vancouver GRC.  One of the many offers Herb has made to the former pastor is to remain in Calgary (as though nothing has happened) and be a "bright shinning light" for the GRC there.  Despite the fact no one else is there for the GRC Pty Ltd, this will keep the former pastor on hold for future use back in Vancouver and resume his former position.  Of course his wife and the remaining GRC'ers will be told that all the "trouble makers" have left.  Herb is already conditioning the "Vancouver faithful" to accept the former pastor's wife was the victim of the "trouble makers", and justifies everything that has happened.  The "we are right" mentality is always comforting for the spiritually weak.  Time will prove Herb is still a wolf is sheep's clothing, pulling the wool over his victims' eyes so that they can't see him mauling the flock.

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Reply to : AnonymousDavid, what's happened with the N Depalma offer? And what offer was it? Now that Herbie is back home what's the deal? Is it just me or are we all intrigued?Herb is still in Canada spending hard earned "rev tax" payer dollars runningto and frobetweenVancouverand Calgary. The GRC'ers willbe eager to hear the "Hollins report" in a week or so, to find out if all the money Herb is spending to secure the DePalma nameforGRC Pty Ltd, was worth while. Herbie is keeping a tight lid on all this stuff. Winning the DePalma's will feel like a strategic victory for Herbie and revengeagainstALLthose who walked out of the Vancouver GRC. One of the many offers Herb h

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We haven't heard any such things here in Vancouver. As for Nat returning to Vancouver I highly doubt that he will.

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We haven't heard any such things here in Vancouver. As for Nat returning to Vancouver I highly doubt that he will.

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Hi Anony.

I doubt that Nat will too, but I'm sure Noel wants him to.  That would mean thousands of dollars p.a. would stay in Noel's account to spend on other things.  I know Noel is in Geelong despite what some have been told in Vancouver.  Loyal GRC'ers in Van are spreading rumors to trace/trap who is in contact with the "backsliders".  I can't understand why people feel they need to lie just to protect the 'Only True Church in the World'.  God would do that himself if it (GRC Pty Ltd) was His only true Church.  Those in the Van GRC Pty Ltd wouldn't even know exactly what Noel did while he was there, and you can be sure he has told them only what he wants them to know.  It doesn't look like Nat bowed the knee to Noel.  Does it???

A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

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Reply to : AnonymousWe haven't heard any such things here in Vancouver. As for Nat returning to Vancouver I highly doubt that he will.Hi Anony.I doubt that Nat will too, but I'm sure Noel wants him to. That would mean thousands of dollars p.a.would stay inNoel's account to spendon other things. I know Noel is in Geelong despite what some have been told in Vancouver. Loyal GRC'ers in Van are spreading rumors to trace/trap who is in contact with the "backsliders". I can't understand why people feel they need to lie just to protect the 'Only True Church in the World'.God would do that himself ifit (GRC Pty Ltd) wasHis only true Church. Those in the Van GRC Pty Ltdwouldn't even know

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In relation to your little yudda yuddas at the bottom of your postings, David the best ones were  in Croydon, a sister came out in prophecy and said " Go to the highways, go to the byways, go to the supermarkets my children!

In Toowoomba a sister came out with "Let's celebrate, let's have a party!" I nearly fell over with laughter and hysterics! And around the same time another sister came out with "I will show you the sea- monsters" Around the time of the lets have a party prophecy there were parties being held by J Griggs every week. Everyone in the assembly that had a birthday was encouraged to hold a big party with J as the party planner.! I also forgot about a brother opening in prayer in Toowoomba saying "We bow down to our pastor, Yea , Yea."

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In relation to your little yudda yuddas at the bottom of your postings, David the best ones were  in Croydon, a sister came out in prophecy and said " Go to the highways, go to the byways, go to the supermarkets my children!

In Toowoomba a sister came out with "Let's celebrate, let's have a party!" I nearly fell over with laughter and hysterics! And around the same time another sister came out with "I will show you the sea- monsters" Around the time of the lets have a party prophecy there were parties being held by J Griggs every week. Everyone in the assembly that had a birthday was encouraged to hold a big party with J as the party planner.! I also forgot about a brother opening in prayer in Toowoomba saying "We bow down to our pastor, Yea , Yea."

 

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Very, VERY FUNNY!!!  Yes it did seem the 'best of the best' always came from Croydon.  So Griggsy loves to throw a party, hey???  With all the clowns controlling the show, no wonder the "Gifts" in the GRC Pty Ltd seems like a circus at times.

I remember many who "came out" frequently.  They would inspire nothing but embarrassment upon others.  There was 'Yay Ray'.  Mr. Ray M would shout out to the best of his ability scores of  "Yay - Yay - Yay - Yay sayeth the Lord - Yay!!!"  Noel would caution people not to fall in the habit of saying "yay" all the time, but  when the next communion service was held, Noel would say heaps of "yays" himself.  Mrs. McPh annoyed everyone with her constant repetiveness of  "You are my children.  I love you my children".  One would hope not to be sitting near Mrs. W. W. during communion or fasts, as her squealing "Yigidy, Yigidy, Yididy, Yigidy, Yigidy" had more chance of causing industrial deafness than a B747.  But we were taught that all this was inspired by the Holy Spirit, and the "Word" (or "Talks") were too.  I guess the Devil must have snuck into Noel's head the night when he said;  "Jesus farted forty days in the wilderness".

Its good to look back at our time in the GRC and have a good laugh. 

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