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LSlurper
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Registered: 17/01/2009

(Date Posted:09/04/2009 03:21:59)

Okay....

I didn't stay away very long.....

While thinking all things GRC - which admittedly involves my own bias against those with limited thinking and views - but that is my issue!

I was wanting to ask some things I've long wanted to know about the GRC:

Are the following examples things that fall under the heading of views held officially by the cult - or are they more the result of thinking by individual members - if indeed individual members have the right/desire/opportunity to think independently;

* Females are discouraged from having real careers.

Females from my family born into the GRC have not had careers, or indeed much education. They languish in jobs such as washing cars for sale in car yards, house-sitting, and bakery assistants. While those female family members who joined GRC gave up their professions once they married, and certainly never worked after children were born/raised.

* 'Bad' things that happen to non-GRC members happen because they are not 'saved'.

The GRC people I have known have been very judgemental. If you are not a GRC member and do not have a job/lose your job, have serious illness (or even die) and countless other life issues - all things are easily traced back to not being on the 'right' side of the Lord.

Over the years there has been a number of deaths in our family. One was particularly tragic and saw a young family member (non-GRC) suffer horribly as a result of terminal illness. We were all involved in round the clock palliative care for the weeks the illness lasted....well except for the GRC family member. One made a single visit. Two attended the funeral. They were quite remote and seemed unmoved by events.

Not so long ago a GRC family member suffered a horrible illness and was on life-support...I wondered if that person would be made to suffer later that they must have made the Lord unhappy?

* Issues that are seemingly beyond anyone's control are again traced back to being 'saved 'etc.

One non-GRC family member once argued with a GRC family member about babies born with disabilities. The GRC member indicated that it could not/did not happen to GRC people because they were on the 'right' side etc.
Non-GRC family members found great irony in word that the parent of a GRC spouse had quietly been placed in a home after a diagnosis of Alzheimer's Disease. GRC family members would not visit the person in question.

* Infertility is some punishment by God of non-GRC people.

Apparently some GRC members are against the use of IVF and other fertility treatments - it is an affront to God.

* Members are not encouraged to own their own housing or do other things to secure their financial future.

GRC people I have known have rented for decades and decades, in areas where housing was affordable, and when houses could have been purchased at low interest rates. THe pattern is being repeated in the next generation - with those that are finally 'allowed' to leave home. One GRC family member grew quite jealous that another family member not only had a large luxurious main home, but also a beach house....

* Health issues experienced by people once they join GRC miraciously disappear on becoming saved.

I have heard this time and time again. Heart murmurs...bad backs...all gone. I know one member extremely obese, at certain risk of various health problems with no interest in medical advice, as the Lord will protect....arrrghhhh!

* GRC members are encouraged to marry young - to the first boy/girl friend they have.

My family is helping again to further populate the GRC. Extremely young people are marrying, and only leaving their family home once that marriage has taken place. These marriages have been to their first friend of the opposite sex. They are all starting their own families soon after....and their fates somehow seemed sealed!

So, I am not sure which of the above are GRC rules, or just mere coincidence...maybe someone here might help me separate the two?

Thanks!

 


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CaSaMa
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Registered:21/01/2009

Re:Difference between GRC official doctrine and GRC member beliefs
(Date Posted:09/04/2009 19:09:18)

Hi LSlurper,

In answer to some of your questions I can answer on what I know:
*Girls are discouraged from having careers as they are encouraged not to work after being married - it's ok at the start to help set up house but after that no.
*Bad things happen to those not saved - that is the general reason given for things happening to non-GRC members. They are not saved so do not have the protection of the Lord. If they looked closely at this they would realise that bad things happen to GRC members too. There is a scripture talks about time and chance happens to them all. To me there is no distinction. GRC people get sick, they lose their jobs, they have childbirth problems too and infertility. If they ask the Lord to heal these problems and if they believe it will happen, but they are not immune just some of them would like to thinks so. My ex-pastor told our assembley that time and chance doesn't happen to "saints", he also told us that people died because they took medication and then the following week he informed us of the death of a saved person in another assembley from an accident - time and chance?

These things are not set down in the guidelines(rules) but are mentioned alot so that eventually it becomes belief. Tell somebody something long enough and they become to believe it. 
* Medical issues - If you pray believing then the Lord will heal you - this I know because it has happened to me and my children at times in our lives, however it doesn't exclude "unsaved" people even though some GRC people would like to think so.

And some of the other points depend on what socio-economic area your assembley is in as to what people think about owning your own home, education, etc. I believe they make things up as they go along. I was in my assembley for 21 years and have recently been asked to leave because I would not do what the pastor wanted if I didn't agree with him and went to visit my newly married daughter without telling him. Thinking for yourself is not encouraged and I believe God gave me free will to follow Him, so I follow Him and not some man's whim.

I hope this helps you some.

CaSaMa
LSlurper
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Registered:17/01/2009

RE:Difference between GRC official doctrine and GRC member beliefs
(Date Posted:09/04/2009 23:45:26)

Gee, thanks for your response CaSaMa!

Oh my....obviously, I don't/can't understand these levels of control. I mean, outside of dictatorships and military torture where else do we find such heavy use of thought control?

Then maybe GRC ways are suitable to a certain kind of personality. My 1st sibling to join GRC was (still is) quite a force....their way or the highway....used fear to control us the younger siblings as children. The counting method when they wanted things done: "1 - 2 - " we'd fly into such blind panics and obey to avoid the anger. Years later I say the same done to their own children. It was frightening. Placing a hand firmly over my mouth to literally stop me from speaking is even remembered by other family members.

I was a teen and would be visiting my 1st GRC sibling when the 2nd one was joining. It was apparent to me even then that friends of 1st sibling were coming around and reporting on 2nd GRC sibling. Oh my...it was bad. They would speak in 'code' (mind you this was the same sibling that insisted on spelling in front of me when I was a child!!!!) say 'X was seen driving towards Y's house at z time' etc. This group of people seemed to have constructed 24 hour surveillance on sibling 2. So yeah, I got to see that family loyalty meant nothing once in GRC clutches!

Believe me, I want to find some good in it. Some way of giving myself some peace, but I am growing to suspect I can never reconcile any of this. Which makes even me sadder.

This suggestion of 'Christian' values placed against a background of secrecy, suspicion, prejudice, intolerance, control, sexism, greed - to name but a few - is really difficult to understand.

The GRC idea of God seems quite restrictive......I mean GRC would not make up a fraction of the world's 'Christian' population, but apparently He's only on the look out for them???? Now that seems downright selfish and greedy!

GRC members are 'saints'?

CaSaMa - have you left willingly after not complying to your pastor's orders? Do you want to go back?

Oh I just can't imagine the horror of having such fear (of being cut off etc) but yep was told once by one of my GRC siblings that their children could never leave as they would have "nothing." I knew instantly they meant this to be quite a huge deterrent.

Boy, being right all the time, and judging the world and the non-saved with such contempt must be a lonely way to be!

 

 

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CaSaMa
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Registered:21/01/2009

Re:Difference between GRC official doctrine and GRC member beliefs
(Date Posted:11/04/2009 03:26:28)

Hi LSlurper,

GRC members are 'saints'? Yes that is how they refer to themselves.

Do I want to go back? No, I don't. It has taken a few years to get to this point and most of it is due to how my children have been treated. When you see your kids develop depression while in a christian environment you start to question a lot of things and one was put out of fellowship and I have told that child not to go back as it is bad for their mental well-being, and another came close to a mental breakdown.

When the pastor's orders seem way off-line and downright interfering in one's everyday life you start to question how far into your life you should let him in. When you know he's lying but can't prove it quiet resistance seemed the way to go.
I went to visit my daughter who lives somewhere else and didn't inform him, when I got back I got hauled into his office and got told off and it went from there.

I have to say that at the moment even though I have no friends whatsoever I don't feel stressed and I sleep much better too. The trouble is that you get so isolated that when you are put out or leave it is difficult as you really need to start over.
Still one day at a time will do it, no point trying to move any quicker. If people want to leave being isolated is not going to put them off as they generally prepare the way first. Often someone is there to help.

I feel for you in your situation and can only encourage patience, look to your own life and enjoy the company of those who are close to you, make the most of it, that you can do something about, your 'saved' family - you can only be there when  and if they need you. After all, you are the one who is free.

CaSaMa

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Re:Difference between GRC official doctrine and GRC member beliefs
(Date Posted:13/04/2009 17:42:13)

CaSaMa well said. I have been where you are as many others here on the Forum.. The best thing you can do is simply live and enjoy everyday.  In a nut shell - Afterall you are FREE.. They certainly are NOT..

I will catch up with you soon as I promised early in the peace however I am heading overseas today for 2 weeks of work in Sth Africa. .Maybe I could study some Voodoo and try a tribal approach on the Cult when I return..

Take Care love to the Family..

NTL

ladeedaa
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Registered:10/07/2009

Re:Difference between GRC official doctrine and GRC member beliefs
(Date Posted:23/07/2009 22:57:31)

just as a note to casama's comment on goi ng to see her daughter "without permission"... lol my husband and i went away for the weekendonce, and no one knew...hoo-ee!! sinners we were!! I mean if the world had ended that day...omg its not like a fire drill!!!
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