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RE:miracles !!!!!! relevent and still around
(Date Posted:04/05/2008 00:29:18)
Funnily enough, today's meeting (at Edge church) was all about rembering all of the miracles God has done in your life, and when i started remembering the things God had done for me I fell to my knees in tears of love and grattitude that Jesus has done so much for me.
Tonight's meeting will be a short sermon and prayer for any sick or anyone with needs for most of the meeting, as well as testimonies of what God has done. I'm really looking forward to seeing some amazing breakthroughs.
I couldn't even list all of the things God has done for me on here, but i've seen instant miraculous occurances, i've prayed for things as trivial as headaches and viruses and had them dissapear instantly, i've experienced God heal me of depression and a desire to end my life, God's restored my marriage (from the mess that Revival caused) he's healed my sister of cancer, he's healed my friends sister of cancer (just recently) completely and even gave me a word of knowledge that she would be completely all clear (which she is). I could go on and on and on if i started to remember everything i've seen and received from our wonderful loving God and Saviour Jesus Christ.
The biggest miracle of all is seeing people set free from the chains of this world and coming to know him and have a personal relationship with the God of Heaven and Earth.
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RE:miracles !!!!!! relevent and still around
(Date Posted:04/05/2008 00:31:12)
oops, that was from Set Free, not Sea Urchin
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RE:miracles !!!!!! relevent and still around
(Date Posted:04/05/2008 03:53:11)
Do you believe in them still??? have you experienced any????
I think the word 'miracle' is another interpretive word, but Ian can enlighten us to the proper semantics, perhaps - heh. When it comes to the following law then I certainly believe in them and have experienced some bloody doozies. The probability of certain things happening are sometimes millions to one, but a myriad of improbable things probably and do happen all the time. They may seem miraculous in a supernatural way, but are simply math. Littlewood's law states that individuals can expect miracles to happen to them, at the rate of about one per month. By its definition, seemingly miraculous events are actually commonplace. In other words, miracles do not exist, but are rather examples of low probability events that are bound to happen by chance from time to time.
Polkinghorne suggest that miracles are not violations of the laws of nature but "exploration of a new regime of physical experience".
Theologico-Political Treatise he talks about miracles as those events of whose causes we are ignorant. Im sure Moth and Dog would say no, however I could be wrong.........
You're sure you could be wrong? If you're saying a miracle is " a transgression of a law of nature by a particular volition of the Deity, or by the interposition of some invisible agent", then I'd have to say I've never seen any tangible evidence during my time and place on the planet. I acknowledge that many many people profess to having experienced unexplainable supernatural phenomena, but without wanting to discredit people, for all I know, these stories are the products of misperception, ignorance, attention seeking, outright untruthfulness or mental disorder. I've seen and have experienced 'amazing' things, but that's different, eh? God given miracles though? I'm always interested to hear stories, and would love to hear the story of an ex-amputee, but would need proof to go with it. Please no emotive comments.No emotions at all allowed in the replies? I'll keep it stoic. 
(Message edited by MothandRust On 04/05/2008 06:29:29)
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“The mystery of the beginning of all things is insoluble by us; and I for one must be content to remain an agnostic” - Darwin
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RE:miracles !!!!!! relevent and still around
(Date Posted:04/05/2008 07:39:03)
I believe the only “miracles” where demonstrated by people, who had actually witnessed Jesus and where given special power and permission to show the glory of God through those signs, miracles and wonders back then, to herald in the new covenant and establish His “Church.” As for miracles today, I can’t see them being as it was back then, but I have witnessed through my own experience some very convincing events that I have to give God the glory for. One story in particular, is when my elderly Grandfather became ill and for about six years suffered greatly emotionally and physically (I cannot put a name to the particular problem but old age played a part) and came the time he was finally hospitalized and word was sent to all the relatives to go and see him as Grandpa expected to pass away soon. Some even came from interstate. That was on the Saturday. I visited him on the Sunday afternoon and when I saw him I could hardly recognize him, I thought he was already dead. He aroused and recognized me and I told him I was here to tell him what I believed (as I never did witness to him before) and pray for him to get better. All expecting him to pass away that day, it was the following day I was told that Grandpa had made a miraculous recovery and would be going home. My Grandfather lived another three years after that and never had one day of pain or sickness in that time. He eventually died peacefully in his sleep. What one makes of this type of scenario and you do hear other cases, you would almost think it a “miracle.” Medico Information tells us that have been known to happen before, not necessarily after someone prays but perhaps a little encouragement or kindness or whatever. I have found over the years, whether it is to do with sickness, operations or whatever, having faith and looking to Jesus to bring one through whatever, the end result is always in the positive. We may not class them as miracles as such, but it is the timing of it all, we pray, it happens. I no longer look for “miracles,” just offer up thanksgiving, and it seems to work every time. brolga
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Who said it could not be done? And tell me what great victories does he have to his credit which qualifies him to judge others accurately?
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Reply To brolga
(Date Posted:04/05/2008 07:54:28)
Reply to brolga (04/05/2008 07:39:03) I have found over the years, whether it is to do with sickness, operations or whatever, having faith and looking to Jesus to bring one through whatever, the end result is always in the positive. We may not class them as miracles as such, but it is the timing of it all, we pray, it happens.
I no longer look for "miracles," just offer up thanksgiving, and it seems to work every time.
brolga "Always" in the positive? "Every" time? Hmm, this is what I was referring to when people misconstrue events to be miraculous. The only way this would be a true statement is if 'every' time you prayed for someone, a healing occurred outside the bounds of natural healing. Of course, unless the prayee died, then it would work in some time, but even if the subject died after a while you could always put a positive 'spin' on it as 'part of the plan'... ergo, prayers are always answered.
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