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(Date Posted:01/06/2007 02:52:10)
Reply to : franks ghost
Reply to : earth5Sorry Earthy, got a bit on.
your forgiven as always as i hope I am
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I would rather live my life as if there is a God, and die to find out there isn"t, than live my life as if there isn"t, and find out there is"
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(Date Posted:01/06/2007 16:16:45)
Reply to : franks ghost
You can change the building, change your oversight, change the music, get some new worship to wash over you, change the name, change the doctrine, change your friends, however without the inside stuff getting a work over it just doesn't matter what we wish to be called. Me I'm at the Rf, but I'm going hard after God and I'll pray & work hard that as many as can be positively effected in the whole BODY will be.
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Hi Frank, Couldn't agree more, there is a HUGE awakening going on at the present time - people who were half asleep are either 1) going in to a deeper state of lukewarmness OR 2) being revived, refreshed, restored, returned to God. I am seeing the results of this as more and more people are coming from RF each week to the church we are going to. I watch them as they gradually wake up and see with fresh eyes, God's goodness, love and compassion at work on them and through them.
I am meeting up with some people tomorrow that have decided to start coming to church again after leaving RF - they had been there since they were children & they felt they were slowly dying spiritually. (remember Adelaide is very different to the east coast) It is beautiful watching God work on people's hearts as He fills them again with joy, strength and His very real presence.
I can't speak for others on this forum Frank, but the way I see it is that it doesn't matter WHERE you go, it's all about your relationship with God, with Jesus and with the Holy Ghost that matters. It is not any particular church that saves you - only God can do that. A girl was told recently by an RF pastor in Adelaide, that ' if she starts going to Edge Church she will be on the path to hell the same as the rest of her family that go there' . To my way of thinking, this pastor is on very dangerous ground making such statements and seeing that he is a pastor in RF, I certainly wouldn't want to be saying ' amen' to anything he says from the platform and I certainly would not want to ' align' myself with him in any way. We must all be alert and aware that the enemy is going about seeking to destroy all who oppose him and he can often use the very people (or organisation) who seem harmless enough on the surface.
Press in hard Frank, and may God bless you abundantly and those who walk with you.
God bless, Urchin
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franks ghost
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(Date Posted:02/06/2007 00:25:43)
Reply to : Sea Urchin
I can't speak for others on this forum Frank, but the way I see it is that it doesn't matter WHERE you go, it's all about your relationship with God, with Jesus and with the Holy Ghost that matters. It is not any particular church that saves you - only God can do that.
Amen. Just remember, the enemy doesn't care about what you sing or where you go as long as it's far from the truth so one good indicator you're starting to please God is the opposition will grow. Satan doesn't care what the banner is, this is a battle and he's in a fight to the death. Keep your eyes and ears open at all times.
A girl was told recently by an RF pastor in Adelaide, that ' if she starts going to Edge Church she will be on the path to hell the same as the rest of her family that go there' . To my way of thinking, this pastor is on very dangerous ground making such statements and seeing that he is a pastor in RF, I certainly wouldn't want to be saying ' amen' to anything he says from the platform and I certainly would not want to ' align' myself with him in any way.
I certainly wouldn't want him pastoring me. Is this his ministering out of fear or a genuine blindness. (I think one comes from the other). Remember he effectively is shepherd and he is watching the flock leave. If he were equipped with the shepherds heart and some tools of love the outcome would be very different with the flock, can you see how inadequately these poor guys have been equipped and all they are left with is fear? Pray for them.
We must all be alert and aware that the enemy is going about seeking to destroy all who oppose him and he can often use the very people (or organisation) who seem harmless enough on the surface.
If Edge or anyone for that matter is on the money stay very alert, with the enemy currently with it's hooks into RF,destroying long term relationships , families, etc it's winning the day.
A friend of mine said to me "It's relationships that go to heaven, nothing else" this is what will be attacked, Why are we told to love not just our neighbour but our enemy, Love not Fear or hate or opposition is what God uses. Pray hard Urch, weap for them, fight for them, love em.
This is one mighty battle, why not have the Edge declare a fast for RF.
Have you read the Quest? Please do so.
Please keep praying for these people
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earth5
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(Date Posted:02/06/2007 04:45:34)
Reply to : franks ghost
Reply to : Sea UrchinI can't speak for others on this forum Frank, but the way I see it is that it doesn't matter WHERE you go, it's all about your relationship with God, with Jesus and with the Holy Ghost that matters. It is not any particular church that saves you - only God can do that.Amen. Just remember, the enemy doesn't care about what you sing or where you go as long as it's far from the truth so one good indicator you're starting to please God is the opposition will grow. Satan doesn't care what the banner is, this is a battle and he's in a fight to the death. Keep your eyes and ears open at all times.A girl was told recently by an RF pastor in Adelaide, that ' if she starts going to Edge Church she will be on the path to hell the same as the rest of her family that go there' . To my
Wow fg, well said, you have moved even further in your journey my brother. Keeping you and family in my prayers (yes I do pray for the rev ctr for reformation and that God will awaken them. )
Relationship is certainly it, our relationship with God is what saves us, many in that last day will cry lord lord did we not........... and he will say depart from me for I know you not. Ie you didnt spend time with ME oh yea your prayed in tounges you prophesied etc etc but you never spent time with me.
Are we busy being busy of busy being fruitful????????
anyway just about of to nz so c u all later
earth5
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I would rather live my life as if there is a God, and die to find out there isn"t, than live my life as if there isn"t, and find out there is"
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(Date Posted:02/06/2007 14:39:55)
Reply to : SOTT1
Reply to : franks ghostAh, Frankie.For all the rhetoric over the past few months, theprinciple issuehasn'tchanged in any of this, and youstillseem very keen not to go anywhere near addressing it! The RF--Toowoomba to Adelaide--Johnny K andyou, still preach 'another gospel'. Youstillhold the saving grace of God to be of no effect, consequently, the bony finger of Paul's Galatian warning still pointsdirectly atyou.Blessings,Ian
Amen, have to agree entirely, it's still the same old cracked foundation of tongues = salvation as far as I can see. No change there.
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set free
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(Date Posted:03/06/2007 01:58:06)
Frank I agree with you that it is not as important where you are if you have your relationship with God right, and i totally understand where you are coming from when you say that, coz i was one of the few that was going pretty well while i was still there. I can't agree completely however, because I do believe that if you are regularly attending a particular church you are supporting the organisation. You can't go there every week and disagree with some of the teachings. Well, you CAN do that - we all did it for years, my point is rather that you shouldn't be.
I will admit something controversial though, the highest point of my walk with god so far was for a period of six months to a year while i was in RF. At that stage I wasn't listening to the talks coz i got nothing out of them, i would sit there and do my own bible studies and sometimes pick up a pen and let the spirit move and write notes to my friends about personal and spiritual issues that they hadn't discussed with anyone but what i wrote was exactly what they needed to hear etc. I didn't go to meetings to get anything out of them, usually i'd studied the bible so much during the week that I would share my revelations with others and build them up. I went out preaching several times a week (not ear bashing everyone, just praying for the spirit to lead me to a lost soul. I'd only ever talk to one or two people in an entire evening, if any!) and I actually got to the point in my prayer life where i felt like i was praying enough. I thought that was an unattainable place to be at, but because I was praying as often as i could and with a geniune heart I felt like i was on the right track. The number one thing i took with me anywhere was my bible, never went anywhere without it (including young people's suppers, much to some people's dismay!) Of course everything came crashing down when Satan declared all out war on me, and i let people hurt me. Unfortunately i believed the pastor who told me i was becoming fanatical and needed to be careful coz i was praying too much. I listened to my friends who said they felt judged by me, even though i loved them and encouraged them and actually thought very highly of them - turns out they were comparing themselves to me and didn't like it - which was hardly my fault. I had a group of 36 girls my age plot against me in a dorm down at an easter camp and then come up with a rumor that i had predicted the lord's return (I'm not THAT nuts!!) and they then sat me down and told me they were concerned for my salvation because I was out of line with the bible. I endured my own family members telling me they didn't believe half the things i went through and telling me to calm down and fit in with everyone else and that half of the spiritual things that were occurring weren't real, they were in my head. They told me visions did not exist, dreams were not prophetic and that Satan only attacks you if you talk about him too much.
Half of you probably now think i was nuts too - but I know i wasn't, i also know that I was never more at peace or that humble, gentle, kind, loving, wise than at that point. I was praying everyday for Wisdom and Humility. I prayed that I would have not one little bit of pride in me. I prayed for long suffering and patience, which were given to me through trials. And people who are not with Christ could see the difference in me. At that time i didn't discuss God with my sister who left RF and Christianity all together many years ago - but she saw the difference in my demeanor or something and commented to my mum that she could see i was really serious about it.
The point of me telling you all this? 1. coz I've been needing to get this out lately and have been going through the healing process of all of the wrong things that were said to me 2. because no matter how on fire i was, I can see now that you still need to be outside of the RF to be healthy.
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"THE REVOLUTIONARY EMPIRE OF GOD IS HERE - ADVANCING BY RECONCILIATION AND PEACE; EXPANDING BY FAITH; HOPE AND LOVE, BEGINNING WITH THE POOREST AND THE LEAST. IT"S TIME TO CHANGE YOUR THINKING - BE PART OF THE REVOLUTION...
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Heal my heart and make it clean
Open up my eyes to the things unseen
Show me how to love like You have loved me
Break my heart for what breaks Yours
Everything I am for Your Kingdom"s cause
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(Date Posted:03/06/2007 03:47:46)
Hi Set Free
I have to say that the last post was one of the best i have seen on this site
Well done You know when people are complaining about others being to spiritual then usually it shows them up and they dont like it
Keep it up there was no malice in your post just hurt about what others will do once again well done
Chris
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(Date Posted:03/06/2007 05:10:11)
Reply to : set free
Frank I agree with you that it is not as important where you are if you have your relationship with God right, and i totally understand where you are coming from when you say that, coz i was one of the few that was going pretty well while i was still there. I can't agree completely however, because I do believe that if you are regularly attending a particular church you are supporting the organisation. You can't go there every week and disagree with some of the teachings. Well, you CAN do that - we all did it for years, my point is rather that you shouldn't be.I will admit something controversial though, the highest point of my walk with god so far was for a period of six months to a year while i was in RF. At that stage I wasn't listening to the talks coz i got nothing out of them, i would sit there and do my own bible studies and sometimes pick up a pen and let the spirit mo
Wow. In fact double wow. Pretty sad stuff that you got pounced on for being too spiritual. Who can decide what God is revealing to you? Crazy! I had some parallels with you. Sitting in meetings with a weird talk being expounded from the front, but me reading other stuff in the Bible and answers to questions being revealed. You are the only other person that I know did that. Thanks for sharing all of the above with me and others here. I hope and pray you go on to even greater heights. I reckon the following scripture sums up what you went through.
"They go from strength to strength, every one of them in Zion appeareth before God" Psalm 84:7
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(Date Posted:03/06/2007 06:11:31)
Yeah, the tough part is getting back to a place where I feel like that again. Well, I don't want to go BACK to that place but rather FORWARD into a better place! Our life is a journey and instead of trying to live in the past we need to push on to what God has in our future. I've been coming to terms with that recently, and now am just trying to push forward. I've been struggling with my brain this week though! I don't know WHY but I'm getting all of these STUPID thoughts in my head and I'm struggling to get rid of them. Prayer works though  yesterday when i was feeling down i was explaining to my husband that I have no reason to be sad, and that i know the thoughts in my head aren't right - but I'm still thinking them anyway? He had prayer for me and instantly i felt better. I think Satan's getting all competitive over me again! Coz on Saturday i went to a "destiny" course run by church and made a decision to stop procrastinating and start acting on a prophetic dream i was given to be a school chaplain. The thought of it scares me, but i know if it's God's will he'll get me through, and also if it's his will it's his bill - taking time off to study doesn't make sense at the moment, but instead of hesitating I'm going to just do it and "Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not to thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him and he shall direct thy path" Proverbs 3:5-6 (sorry about the KJV for those of you who cringe to hear it - it's the only version I've memorised so far!)
Thanks for the Scripture and encouragement Suomynona and Chris! And if you think that's bad - that was just a short summary!!! I still stayed at RF through all this though. Moved to another state for awhile, got married, moved back to adelaide and sat through dead boring meetings for a year and not growing in my walk at all during that time. Wasn't until I made a big commitment to God on new years eve that i wound up at an awesome church - and since then I've been growing steadily. It's amazing how much i realized i didn't know when i went to a place that preaches the truth and there are lots of people who are full on for God! Instead of sticking out and getting persecuted being strong spiritually is now the norm!! AND (dun dun dun dunnnn) prayer and spiritual growth is encouraged??!!!!!?!!!
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http://www.myspace.com/theiheartrevolution
theiheartrevolution.com
"THE REVOLUTIONARY EMPIRE OF GOD IS HERE - ADVANCING BY RECONCILIATION AND PEACE; EXPANDING BY FAITH; HOPE AND LOVE, BEGINNING WITH THE POOREST AND THE LEAST. IT"S TIME TO CHANGE YOUR THINKING - BE PART OF THE REVOLUTION...
Brian D. McClaren (paraphresed)
Heal my heart and make it clean
Open up my eyes to the things unseen
Show me how to love like You have loved me
Break my heart for what breaks Yours
Everything I am for Your Kingdom"s cause
As I walk from earth into eternity
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(Date Posted:03/06/2007 07:07:47)
Reply to : set free
Yeah, the tough part is getting back to a place where I feel like that again. Well, I don't want to go BACK to that place but rather FORWARD into a better place! Our life is a journey and instead of trying to live in the past we need to push on to what God has in our future. I've been coming to terms with that recently, and now am just trying to push forward. I've been struggling with my brain this week though! I don't know WHY but I'm getting all of these STUPID thoughts in my head and I'm struggling to get rid of them. Prayer works thoughyesterday when i was feeling down i was explaining to my husband that I have no reason to be sad, and that i know the thoughts in my head aren't right - but I'm still thinking them anyway? He had prayer for me and instantly i felt better. I think Satan's getting
You know the best part about your last post? The....AND (dun dun dun dunnnn). You have made my day, what a hoot !
My wife and I have always called the thrilling suspense music the "dun dun dun dunnnnn" music. That's TWO things we do or have done that are in parallel. This is gettng spooky !
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(Date Posted:03/06/2007 07:30:27)
Reply to : set free
Frank I agree with you that it is not as important where you are if you have your relationship with God right, and i totally understand where you are coming from when you say that, coz i was one of the few that was going pretty well while i was still there. I can't agree completely however, because I do believe that if you are regularly attending a particular church you are supporting the organisation.
Thankyou for the respectful way you answered.
May God continue to guide your path.
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RE:What would be the ingredients of the best possible CHURCH.?
(Date Posted:14/06/2009 20:12:17)
I realise this is a pretty old discussion but having missed it, I thought I would jump in anyway.
It saddens me that human beings don't seem to be able to do group anything without politics coming into play. To have a successful group of any kind there would need to be a complete commitment to this not happening. The person that runs the show would have to have proven humility (not much of that around) and be dedicated to the good of the group, but not to the extent that group members are expendable if they don't "conform".
I think the bible makes it pretty clear that we can organises what we want, spout whatever doctrine we want, claim to own the "truth" as much as we want, but if we have no genuine love for others, it is all a complete waste of time, just like the whole revival organisation is.
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