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Reply to : bindiOh , how the written word can work sometimes.The answer is an unequivical no. My unconditional love goes to you and I felt moved to ask Gods blessing. Nothing more nothing less.May God Bless (thats it).Frank.

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Hahaha!   Thanks FG... Much appreciated.

Oh,  how the written word can work sometimes...

Never a true word was spoken! lol... Hense the reason I stated that " I may of misunderstood you. " With lots of 'smiley faces'. The word without tone or emotion can be interpreted Sooo many different ways.

Thanks for your clarification and blessings!

Regards.. Bindi

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I am enjoying the contributions and have shared them with a number of people including 2 pastors.

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It's great that you're getting input from "outside the RF box".

Just a thought though ... have you been asking for input from those I think you you in the past referred to as "your people"? Some people at TRF may even have received their "revelation" prior to you receiving yours!

When you wrote of "your people", it sounded like you were in a leadership position of some kind. If you are and haven't asked "your people", then perhaps an "ingredient" you could add to where you are right now would be recognise that all your Christian brothers and sisters in TRF are also potentially more intimate with your God than you, and potentially have a "word of wisdom" for you. Rev gives a picture of Jesus politely waiting to be invited into the lives of Christians. He could be using those people too in the same way for you, waiting for you to invite them into your life as equals, rather than subordinates.

Bro ... The emphasis isn't intended as an insult or rebuke. It's just to encourage the message to be absorbed even more personally than you normally do.

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Reply to : franks ghostReply to : bindiOh , how the written word can work sometimes.The answer is an unequivical no. My unconditional love goes to you and I felt moved to ask Gods blessing. Nothing more nothing less.May God Bless (thats it).Frank.Hahaha! Thanks FG... Much appreciated.Oh, how the written word can work sometimes...Never a true word was spoken! lol... Hense the reason I stated that " I may of misunderstood you. " With lots of 'smiley faces'. The word without tone or emotion can be interpreted Sooo many different ways.

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Reply to : franks ghostI am enjoying the contributions and have shared them with a number of people including 2 pastors.It's great that you're getting input from "outside the RF box".Just a thought though ... have you been asking for input from those I think you you in the past referred to as "your people"? Some people at TRFmay even have received their "revelation".

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Oh ! Not sure where you got the term My People from, I did say people. No ownership here.

As to the rest of your message and thoughts because it's based on a the my people argument, I'm not going to respond with too much only to say. People here have had the safety to come up with and implement ideas for a number of years, this is a happy fellowship. Again Sunday night reflect that we had another 20 or so visitors. AS THE SCRIPTURE SAYS THE LORD ADDS DAILY.

So be sure Rf on the edge some good stuff is unfolding and I'm confident it will continue.

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As to the rest of your message and thoughts because it's based on the my people argument, I'm not going to respond with too much ...

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Sorry. Got it wrong about the 'your people'.

I take it you're not in a leadership position then.

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And that is what I have always been led to believe. I have no doubt in my mind that He is not particularly 'happy' with the life I lead now , but I do believe He still loves me.

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You have absolutely no doubt in your mind that your god is unhappy (sad?) about your life? Why is it you still have this guilt complex about how this overly emotional god feels about your life? Is it because you don't go to a church (a gathering of like-minded people)? Or is it because you don't feel you're doing what you think might be the acceptable quota of good holy deeds? No need to answer... pretty much rhetorical questions, but I'm just thinking you should let go of this idea that god is sad and pouting over you. Live free and Die Hard.

If it's a church you're after, isn't that sort of what is happening here in this forum? Two or more people gathered, albeit separated by space and computer hardware. This is church, this is a common union if you like. Get out your communion wine and unleavened pizza and crumble it all over your keyboard with us if you like.

So this is church... right here... shush now so I can here Ian speak.

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Reply to : bindiAnd that is what I have always been led to believe. I have no doubt in my mind that He is not particularly 'happy' with the life I lead now , but I do believe He still loves me.You have absolutelyno doubtin your mind that your god is unhappy (sad?) about your life? Why is it you still have this guilt complex about how this overly emotional god feels about your life? Is it because you don't go to a church (a gathering of like-minded people)? Or is it because you don't feel you're doing what you think might be the acceptable quota of good holy deeds? No need to answer... pretty much rhetorical questions, but I'm just thinking you should let go of this idea that god is sad and pouting over you. Live free and Die Hard.If it's a church yo

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OMG! The great and mighty Mothman has answered to a post of mine!! LOL ( Please read that as it is intended to 'sound' Moth. ALL in good humour! ) How are ya??? Nice to hear from you!

You have absolutely no doubtin your mind that your god is unhappy (sad?) about your life?

I know your questions were rhetorical... HOWEVER.. I'm gonna answer them anyways.

You chose not to follow God. I respect that. From what I can gather, ( and I very well could be wrong! ) you seem not to believe in the God we were encouraged to believe in. I still do. I still believe that the bible is the word of God. Presently, there are a lot of things written in it that I don't necessarily agree with but it doesn't change the fact that it is HIS word nonetheless. IE: My views on homosexuality .. ( Ahhh.. remember the good ol' days Moth with Aiken D?? LOL!)

So... aligning what the bible says in how a  'good christian'  should live to the way I currently live my life. No, I most certainly don't believe he would be too happy.

Why is it you still have this guilt complex about how this overly emotional god feels about your life? Is it because you don't go to a church (a gathering of like-minded people)? Or is it because you don't feel you're doing what you think might be the acceptable quota of good holy deeds?

I don't feel guilty! I'm not hanging my head in shame. I'm living the life I chose to live for the time being and am quite happy with it.

but I'm just thinking you should let go of this idea that god is sad and pouting over you.

Haha! You make it sound like I think "I" am the only one God is thinking about! I don't beleive He is focussed totally on me! God knows.. ( Pun intended ) He has far more worthwhile things to think about in this life than just li'l ol' ME! LOL!

Thanks for your input Mothy! Can't promise you that I'll be quite but if you listen very carefully.. you can JUST hear Ians voice over my loud mouth! lol

Regards... Bindi

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Reply to : franks ghostAs to the rest of your message and thoughts because it's based on the my people argument, I'm not going to respond with too much...Sorry.Got it wrong about the 'your people'.I take it you're not in a leadership position then.

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You know what they say you should never assume anything.

Honestly I don't know why I haven't had the tap on the shoulder before now, some of the stuff I have put on here over the last 4-5 months.

I guess it's because I'm not the only one who is insisting on a change of direction for this tired hacked out irrelevent Leadership.

As is being shouted from the rooftops "HAND THE CHURCH BACK TO JESUS CHRIST".  Change the flawed culture and has Sott has rightfully pointed out. "we are plain scripturally niave". Oh I'm g.lad I got that off my chest

You know what they say you should never assume anything.

Well now I'm just plain confused. If you are in a leadership position you'd do well to think again about the second and third paragraphs of my previous post:

Some people at TRF may even have received their "revelation" prior to you receiving yours!

... If you are and haven't asked ... then perhaps an "ingredient" you could add to where you are right now would be recognise that all your Christian brothers and sisters in TRF are also potentially more intimate with your God than you, and potentially have a "word of wisdom" for you. Rev gives a picture of Jesus politely waiting to be invited into the lives of Christians. He could be using those people too in the same way for you, waiting for you to invite them into your life as equals, rather than subordinates.

and has Sott has rightfully pointed out. "we are plain scripturally niave"

(With apologies to Dr McCoy ...) It's worse than that, we're wrong (regarding tongues) Jim

OMG! The great and mighty Mothman has answered to a post of mine!!

Heya Bindi, I did say hello when you came back on last week or so. You may have missed it. This response isn't really about you or to you personally. You've just triggered some ideas I've had about this and that and here I spill (because it's not funny enough for my blog).

 Nice to hear from you! You chose not to follow God. I respect that. From what I can gather, you seem not to believe in the God we were encouraged to believe in.

Yes, I chose not to identify god with a proper-noun as have just done. Just as I chose not to believe in the RF God we were encouraged to believe in who only identified salvation with people that had manipulated their speech to a nonsensical state. That view of god and therefore that reality of god is now different for you also, I would hope. Just as the Jehovah Witness god is also very different to yours etc etc. God changes according to who's doing the encouraging.

I still do. I still believe that the bible is the word of God. Presently, there are a lot of things written in it that I don't necessarily agree with but it doesn't change the fact that it is HIS word nonetheless.

Yes, there are a lot of things in it that I don't agree with also, and I have doubts that this supernatural personality who created the universe(s) wrote us a book. I appreciate that many do believe that, and I'll let the struggles that comes with living to those rules be their own. We all enjoy our freedom to believe anything we like.

I feel for those who live a life under a continuous dark cloud because they can't live up to the standards they believe will make their god happy. I know the condemnation I felt for not tithing enough, or praying enough, or witnessing enough or fellowshipping enough, or visiting the sick enough, or drinking what I thought was evil fluids, or watching M15 movies or wearing clothes with two different types of fabric in them.

So... aligning what the bible says in how a  'good christian'  should live to the way I currently live my life. No, I most certainly don't believe he would be too happy.

Oh, he'll get over it. He's very forgiving.

I'm not too happy with the way he's been running the planet either. So we'll call it bygones eh?

Some people at TRF may even have received their "revelation" prior to you receiving yours!

Sure, I don't have the exclusivity  on revelation I'd be very dissapointed if that's it, what I got.

Thanks friend

Frank

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Reply to : franks ghostReply to : earth5Thanks Earth I am enjoying the contributions and have shared them with a number of people including 2 pastors. mmmmmm. Todays a big day in Syd.mmmmmmmm.Thats it for me for now.Except Bindi. Gods richest love to you.Hiya FG....Hope your day has been a good one for you!Thats it for me for now. Except Bindi. Gods richest love to you.To quote a very famous saying from our dear Pauline Hanson...... " Please explain?"I may of misunderstood your " except Bindi" statement, but I'm reading it as if yo

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as per su , i concure you are worthy of Gods love, it is he whi loves us unconditionally, it is man that makes it conditional, be assured Bindi God is still with you no matter what, and over time as you heal (and you will) when it is right for you you may find a safe fellowship to call home, meanwhile keep you eyes on him

be blessed

earth5

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Reply to : franks ghostFrank,Are you beingintentionallyevasive? Or are you simply reading through RFOTE's posts so quickly, that you're somehow missing the questions that he's been asking?Blessings,Ian

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Reply to : franks ghostFrankie,Probably a bit of both, what are you the surragate Moddy now as well?Nope. Just someone who reckons thatyouhave a tendency of 'saying' more by what youavoid, then you do when you actually engageThink about it.Ian

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Ok mmmmmmmm , I thought about it. No I think you think too much

Frank

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Hey Brolga what happened to your post?

Is this the latest thing write something go back a few hours or days later decide you didn't what you said and delete.

I noticed a new icon in menu is that trash?

Maybe I should go back and trash much of what I said over the last 4 months most of it represents the process and I hate see the some of the stuff I've said. mmmmmmm maybe I should.

Frank

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Now, how's about you 'fess up and answer RFOTE's question? Are you in leadership or are you not?

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I didn't really intend my comments as a qn, and personally I don't mind whether or not there's any clarification on this forum. If he wants his non/leadership role to remain undisclosed here, that's fine by me. Maybe it helps keep some wolves at bay.

My comments were meant to provide an incentive and perspective for reading the subsequent paragraphs although I think the underlying points are applicable whether or not FG is in a leadership position. (I could have made them in a more leadership-neutral manner, so I've learned something.) Now that he's acknowledged that he's read them, I feel my job's done. One of his replies indicates agreement. For me, that's a bonus.

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Reply to : franks ghostFrankie,Maybe I should go back and trash much of what I said over the last 4 months most of it represents the process and I hate see the some of the stuff I've said. mmmmmmm maybe I should.Why? Are youashamedof some of that stuff? Anyway, removing stuff from the public 'record' would be altogether thewrongthing for you to do. It would be a littletoo'Revival-esque'Now, how's about you 'fess up and answer RFOTE's question? Are you in leadership or are you not? (Iknowthe answer already, but I think it would be better coming from you)Blessings,Ian

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Come on Ian give it rest, some of your comments are becoming a little beneath you. Let RFOTE ask and answer his own questions, surely you have enough airplay of your own.

By the way thank you for the scriptures I sat and read them last night

Frank

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Reply to : franks ghostHey Brolga what happened to your post?Is this the latest thing write something go back a few hours or days later decide you didn't what you said and delete.I noticed a new icon in menu is that trash?Maybe I should go back and trash much of what I said over the last 4 months most of it represents the process and I hate see the some of the stuff I've said. mmmmmmm maybe I should.Frank

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the things you have written represent the path you have been taking over the last 4 months, you have changed so much, grown so much.

there is no need to delete any of it we all see how you are now- and are looking forward to knowing the man you will be in 4 years time.

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IanCome on Ian give it rest, some of your comments arebecoming a little beneath you. Let RFOTE ask and answer his own questions, surely you have enough airplay of your own.

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While we're being honest I gotta say I find your selective responses tiring and somewhat baffling.  But hey, we' ve all got a right (within reason) to express ourselves how we want, and the rest of us need to listen as best we can. No doubt many find me a pain to listen to as well. (Not that I'm being self-pitying here.)

Go easy on SOTT. At least he (unlike me) engages you. E.g., giving you hints about where to see there are more than 9 gifts. Personally I would have left you to work out for yourself how to investigate the question (and there's more you can do of course) ... but I like the idea of being cruel to be kind.   Which leads me to an example of your selective responses ... you've twice complemented SOTT on the reading list, but you haven't responded - publicly - as to whether you've worked out where the "other" gifts come from.

(Of course if you do respond re the more than 9 gifts, I'll be looking for it on the OTHER THREAD!! Let's keep this one clean, dealing with your original topic.)

 C'est la vie!

Here's to "iron sharpening iron"!

 

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I didn't really intend my comments as a qn, and personally I don't mind whether or not there's any clarification on this forum. If he wants his non/leadership role to remain undisclosed here, that's fine by me. Maybe it helps keep some wolves at bay.

My comments were meant to provide an incentive and perspective for reading the subsequent paragraphs although I think the underlying points are applicable whether or not FG is in a leadership position. (I could have made them in a more leadership-neutral manner, so I've learned something.) Now that he's acknowledged that he's read them, I feel my job's done. One of his replies indicates agreement. For me, that's a bonus.

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While we're being honest I gotta say I find your selective responses tiring and somewhat baffling.  But hey, we' ve all got a right (within reason) to express ourselves how we want, and the rest of us need to listen as best we can. No doubt many find me a pain to listen to as well. (Not that I'm being self-pitying here.)

Go easy on SOTT. At least he (unlike me) engages you. E.g., giving you hints about where to see there are more than 9 gifts. Personally I would have left you to work out for yourself how to investigate the question (and there's more you can do of course) ... but I like the idea of being cruel to be kind.   Which leads me to an example of your selective responses ... you've twice complemented SOTT on the reading list, but you haven't responded - publicly - as to whether you've worked out where the "other" gifts come from.

(Of course if you do respond re the more than 9 gifts, I'll be looking for it on the OTHER THREAD!! Let's keep this one clean, dealing with your original topic.)

 C'est la vie!

Here's to "iron sharpening iron"!

So which is? Sott makes a comment and you now want to get honest! 

Iron sharpening iron I'm all for it, honesty I love, integrity bring it on......openess on a inti rev forum when I'm a current member limited.

While I;m at it I'd like to appolagise to the forum members, the last post that Brolga wrote was spot on, I wish you had kept it.

When I came to the forum it seemed like a community now it's Sott-Frank-Sott -Frank Bla bla bla.

Even Shinning for Jesus got chased off, please come back Moth, Earth,Big Girl, Break free, Brolga. I know there were plenty of others before me, obviously bored of the banter, or is it that when you say something every line and word is going to be pulled appart and annalized (analised) ha ha ha ha.

Are there any light hearted posts to ease the tension.

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I'm not sure what's apparently causing a problem. I used the word "honest" as an introduction because I perceived you were being "honest" in your appraisal of SOTT, so I decided I should give an "honest" appraisal of my response to some of your posts. When I said "selective", I was referring to the fact that it seems to me that you don't always respond to all the points in a post. (My perspective) For example you didn't respond to a point I made about seeking input from other members of your fellowship. I'm not saying you had to respond, or you should have responded, but (from my perspective) you didn't respond. Maybe "tiring" and "baffling" are trigger words, but I was being honest about my reaction. (Of course,  "those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind"!!  )

I've looked at them again, and I believe my posts were complementary (not complimentary ) rather than contradictory. Maybe I'm still not getting your drift. I apologise for any wrongs I've done you. No tension intended.

I guess we're just on different wavelengths, so let's leave this where it is.   ... and I'll stay quiet

God's richest blessings to you.

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Even Shinning for Jesus got chased off, please come back Moth, Earth,Big Girl, Break free, Brolga. I know there were plenty of others before me, obviously bored of the banter, or is it that when you say something every line and word is going to be pulled appart and annalized (analised) ha ha ha ha.

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This forum has always had lulls and sometimes it's been dormant for long periods of time. I am fairly certain it would be as quiet as a headless monk if Ian weren't as vocal as he is. He is providing the voice for something I simply cannot do and it is the principal reason that this forum is here, in my opinion. Questioning and challenging the Revival beliefs... questioning the mindset that makes us believe any belief set... stirring the people who take themselves and their beliefs so seriously. Perhaps I've become so bored that I resort to cheap stirs and sometimes insults. Meh...

It's a weird community here and one I don't want to continue with for too much longer. It's coming onto the time when I need to completely cut off my ties with Revival... or at least curtail it. Obviously, some of us do need somewhere to go to vent, collect our thoughts and bounce them off other people. Some of us take years to go through that process. Me, it took me two years and a thousand posts to sort out my brain that was once so completely and totally once in love with Revival doctrine. I literally thought I was insane (or evil) to question the Revival beliefs when I was leaving. To join another church was so exciting I could hardly contain myself.

I love watching the forum and discovering people who have discovered the bigger world outside of the Revival network of churches. I enjoy meeting the people I have met here and have some great friends because of it. I've looked at my journey here and have seen so much I don't like about myself and how I've acted at times.

When I joined this forum I was a Revivalist, then a baptist, then a home churcher, then a universalist.. agnostic... atheist... Now I'm even bored with the atheist label. No matter what my label, I can't seem to shake the need I have to 'preach' it, which doesn't make a lot of sense to me... and the label seems to conjure up a picture of closed thinking. I'd rather stay open-minded and see where it takes me next. Will it take me back full-circle? Nah... I don't believe in the Christian god anymore, but should he exist he can tap me on the shoulder. I believe this universe was and is eternal and that there is as much matter here as there was a trillion years ago.

I don't feel anymore that I need to try and convert anyone in a vain attempt to validify what I believe and it's starting to feel silly going on about it. I think I may have said all I need to say on the forum. I"ve actually grown really bored with the tongues argument... it just seems far too silly to waste more of my time on, seeing I don't truly care if one does it or doesn't. I can see why Ian steadfastly continues to refute the Revival doctrine. I see it as an ugly separatist ideology. The thing is, is that I'm now seeing a lot of Christianity to be equally intolerant of other beliefs and I'm feeling intolerant of christians. Grrrr... it's a complete mindfuck and I'm over it. I just want life to be real and I want to ignore the fairy tales and the crap and those that propogate them to a point where people feel too bloody guilty to lead a normal life.

Why should I care what anyone believes? What the hell is my problem? Believe what you want. Speak in tongues all you like. I don't care. In the end you'll believe whatever makes you feel the best for you anyway. Revivalists, like my previous self, love the self-importance that comes from thinking you have the only truly closest to bible beliefs, and no discussion will immediately change that. I don't think these epiphanies come from a cleverly constructed response to a forum post... they come from an event that knocks you off your feet.

Mad world.

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Reply to : franks ghostEven Shinning for Jesus got chased off, please come back Moth, Earth,Big Girl, Break free, Brolga. I know there were plenty of others before me, obviously bored of the banter, or is it that when you say something every line and word is going to be pulled appart and annalized (analised) ha ha ha ha.This forum has always had lulls and sometimes it's been dormant for long periods of time. I am fairlycertain it would be as quiet as a headless monk ifIan weren't as vocal as he is.He is providing the voice for something I simply cannot do and it is the principal reason that this forum is here, in my opinion. Questioning and challenging the Revival beliefs... questioning the mindset that makes us believe any belief set... stirring the p

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Moth,

Thanks that was something, most of all, open and raw. Please stay.

Hey Ian

Is it just the fact that Frank is still 'in RF' that bugs you so much ? I personally have enjoyed watching on as his thinking is changing from that old RF mindset to a much more liberal way of thinking.  What I like about this forum is that there are (or shouldn't be) no prejudices or judgement - just encouragement to continue on one's journey, whatever it may be, once you've commenced it. 

I have high regard for your knowledge and indeed it has helped me greatly, but sometimes it seems that you want to challenge Frank simply because he is still in RF and only ' thinking ' about his options.  We've all 'come out' at different times and at different stages in our journey so instead of challenging (baiting?) him, why not just encourage him?  Let me state that I don't know him personally, and whether he is a pastor, a house leader, an area leader or just a joe-blow is totally irrelevant - I just praise God that he and many others are questioning their beliefs. I know I'm only new to all of this myself having only left in January, but I'm a bit of a ' give everyone a fair go ' person if you know what I mean and I would hate to see people commence their journey only to turn around and end it before it has really started - if that makes sense.

I've had recent contact from quite a few people that are considering leaving RF after many years there, and I just want to be there for them as it is not an easy step to take and requires courage - which to me means 'encouragement'  from those of us who have left and are walking on with God.

No doubt I'm now gonna be in BIG trouble for speaking my mind but I'll fall back on the 'I'm just a simple little sea-urchin - don't hurt me masta" and hopefully you'll forgive me.

Love in Christ, Urch

 

Mothy, mothy, mothy

If I call your name, will it summon you up??  Face it buddy, if you didn't have us lowly Christians (lol)  to debate with, what fun would there be in your life?

Seriously, if it is to be 'adieu' from you I'd like to say that I have enjoyed your posts (well, to be totally honest, SOME of them) and will miss you muchly. You've always injected just the right amount of humour - sometimes a little over the top but, that's our Mothman. I'm not gonna say 'don't leave us Mothy' cos there must be an end to everything and maybe it is just a little unhealthy to hang around haunting this forum forever. Have enjoyed chatting with you and (just to annoy you) will keep you in my prayers !! Bet that REALLY annoys ya huh?? Best of luck mate with the rest of your life. If you ever need me for anything (can't think what?) you can always email me.  Can we all have an on-line farewell party at least ?

Love from Urch

No doubt I'm now gonna be in BIG trouble for speaking my mind but I'll fall back on the 'I'm just a simple little sea-urchin - don't hurt me masta" and hopefully you'll forgive me.

Love in Christ, Urch

Come on Urch, this sounds way to much like giving your power away , a very real part of makes make sup Spiritual Abuse.

You are a daughter of the living God and all the promises that go with that are yours.

Frank

Now dry your eyes, brother, and harden up!

Dry my eyes? man your a peice of work.

Sott my journey has nothing to with "hardening up". Hardening up to me is a little too much like a Hearts Waxed Gross.

I think I'll just press on to the Softness of Heart I'm praying for.

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Reply to : MothandRustMoth,Thanks that was something, most of all, open and raw. Please stay.

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Thanks all, but it wasn't a goodbye message. It was a 'hope I can go sometime' message. I'd like to do a 'troy' (as usual, I seem to be his doppleganger) and make only intermittant posts.

I doubt I'll ever stop daily checking the forums anytime soon. I've got far too much of an addictive personality trait to do that. I'm so glad I don't like alcohol... I'd be on a gutter somewhere for sure.

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Reply to : franks ghostHiya, Frank.I said:Now dry your eyes, brother, and harden up!Dry my eyes? man your a peice of work.IamindeedBut itmight havebeen worse. I might have said, "dry your eyes,princessand harden up!"I guess what I'm trying to say, Frank, is you'vereallygot to work on that "stiff upper lip" of yours. You revert far too quickly to a "quivering lower one" when people try to hold you to account (saidalmosttongue-in-cheek).Sott my journey has nothing to with "hardening up". Hardening up to me is a little too much like a Hearts Waxed Gross.A simple stab at re-direction, yet

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AAAAH - you guys

I think you both need to go to your corners again and remember what your momma taught you about good manners and getting along when you're playing together !!

EEK, I did the slappy thing LOL

Urch

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Reply to : MothandRustMothy, mothy, mothyIf I call your name, will it summon you up?? Face it buddy, if you didn't have us lowly Christians (lol) to debate with, what fun would there be in your life?Seriously, if it is to be 'adieu' from you I'd like to say that I have enjoyed your posts (well, to be totally honest, SOME of them) and will miss you muchly. You've always injected just the right amount of humour - sometimes a little over the top but, that's our Mothman. I'm not gonna say 'don't leave us Mothy' cos there must be an end to everything and maybe it is just a little unhealthy to hang around haunting this forum forever. Have enjoyed chatting with you and (just to annoy you) will keep you in my prayers !! Bet that REALLY annoys ya huh??

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Yes, it'll summon me like a moth to a flame... everytime. I hope it doesn't seem like I think Christians are lowly, although there are some things that frustrate the hell out of me. Mostly it's the gay hating, atheist hating, Hell-fire fear preaching, young earth creationists that piss me off. So that narrows it down a bit eh?

Not an adieu, sorry if it seemed like one of those attention seeking goodybe messages. I just tend to spill out whatever is in my mind when I get into full ramble mode. If I ever did one of those dramatic singsong goodbye posts (life I've seen on the forum before) it'd only be too embarrassing when I have to post a week or two later when some wank is promoting something too stupid for me to let fly.

Besideds, I'm getting too close to 2000 posts now. If I do make a commitment to leave it wouldn't be until my bi-milleniumth.

Funny story! (sort of) A close friend of mine who now sadly lives too far away had a series of dreams in which she found out that I had died in various horrible ways. She said that in the dream the only clue she had that something was wrong was an unusual inactivity from myself on my blogs and forums. Seriously, I wonder about that. I've had good long time friends on the net just 'disappear' and a couple of those people played with the idea of suicide. It makes me wonder, and I don't like to think about it, but nevertheless... horrifying though. If I am ever inactive from the net for more than two weeks, then buy some flowers and throw then into the ocean, because I won't be breathing. Makes me wonder if I should have a kill-switch that would automate emails should the inevitable happen one day.

Yeah and you can pray for me... I'll "think" for you. haha... How long does one pray for another anyway? Does it depend on the severity of the situation your pledging god for. If you go without ice-cream after a meal, is that like a mini-fast. I hate the though of someone missing out on their cookies and cream because they think it might do me some good. Sure, it'll save you from gaining a little wieight, but I'd prefer you give the money you saved from the ice-cream, and the $ value of time you wasted in prayer for me go into a reputable charity. So yeah, you can pray for me, it doesn't realllllllly annoy me, as long as you don't put your hands on my head and shoulders as you do it.

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Reply to : Sea UrchinReply to : MothandRustMothy, mothy, mothyIf I call your name, will it summon you up?? Face it buddy, if you didn't have us lowly Christians (lol) to debate with, what fun would there be in your life?Seriously, if it is to be 'adieu' from you I'd like to say that I have enjoyed your posts (well, to be totally honest, SOME of them) and will miss you muchly. You've always injected just the right amount of humour - sometimes a little over the top but, that's our Mothman. I'm not gonna say 'don't leave us Mothy' cos there must be an end to everything and maybe it is just a little unhealthy to hang around haunting this forum forever. Have enjoyed chatting with you and (just to annoy you) will keep you in my prayers !! Bet that REALLY annoys ya huh??Yes,

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Good on you mate,

You struck a chord  there with me , I've often thought , given my age, and what I 'm recovering from, if I suddenly popped my clogs, would there be people all over the world left wondering why they no longer hear from me. Theres no way my wife could let any one know, this is all far too technical for her, and she would'nt have  a clue. who to tell any way.Then again I ask myself would any one, apart from family and close friends care. It's very impersonal realy this communicating by cyber space. Making friends, (or adverseries)  with people who you never get to meet is novel to me , a late comer to the internet world, and forum land.

If you dont hear from me guys for any longer than a month,say, assume I've flown away, say a little prayer for me, and you have a little think Mothy, of a ship that passed in the night. Lol.

By the way, you were right about the adverts on my emoticons, I noticed my back posts had all sprouted adverts, had to go back deleting them. Ditched that programme

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Reply to : earth5re house churches try this sitehttp://www.oikos.org.auYou have got me looking into this one mate, sounds interesting.By franks ghost:Sott I want to thank you for the way you have taught us to break down a comment and then post so as to respond to the points.Thankyou from me also. It helps me toput into words what my thoughts are,something I have always found difficult to do.Thankyou, Brolga

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hi Brolga, any futher re  investigation on House churches, interested to see what you have found and what your views are

earth5

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Yeah and you can pray for me... I'll "think" for you. haha... How long does one pray for another anyway? Does it depend on the severity of the situation your pledging god for. If you go without ice-cream after a meal, is that like a mini-fast. I hate the though of someone missing out on their cookies and cream because they think it might do me some good. Sure, it'll save you from gaining a little wieight, but I'd prefer you give the money you saved from the ice-cream, and the $ value of time you wasted in prayer for me go into a reputable charity. So yeah, you can pray for me, it doesn't realllllllly annoy me, as long as you don't put your hands on my head and shoulders as you do it.

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Hi Moth - not once did I suggest I'd FAST and pray (used to call it ' prayer and starving'  when I was in RF), I'm not real good with fasting.  And thanks SO much for ' thinking'  for me, I'd never be able to do it on my own. I mean to say, I'm a GIRL and an ' older'  one at that - so think on this Mothman; I pray for people for no other reason than to ask God to keep them safe and well.  God loves you whether you acknowledge Him or not, SO THERE ( *pokes tongue out in a REALLY mature way* ) ha ha ha  

Just to prove how much I need someone to think for me, I didn't know that moths HAD shoulders, thought they only had those flappy things - yeah that's right - wings ! 

Love from urch

Hi Moth - not once did I suggest I'd FAST and pray

Hi Sea urchin (is that a play on words for Searching?) - Not once did I suggest that you suggested you'd pray and fast. I was just playing with the ideas that certain things might make God take notice... like fasting... or praying for 30 minutes rather than 5 etc. I wasn't at all meaning to offend you. You just triggered some thoughts.

And thanks SO much for ' thinking'  for me, I'd never be able to do it on my own. I mean to say, I'm a GIRL and an ' older'  one at that

No problem, I'm thinking of you right now, in fact. "Think without ceasing"... that's my motto. I hope you didn't think I meant I'd think for you because you can't?!! Heaven forbid. I'm sure there are many many older women that can think far better than I can.

- so think on this Mothman; I pray for people for no other reason than to ask God to keep them safe and well.  God loves you whether you acknowledge Him or not, SO THERE.

Ya know what I think? I'm sure you believe your god loves me, how could he not - I'm a great guy, but to use the words you believe are his, 'It rains on the just and the unjust', it doesn't matter if you pray for someone or not because the odds are that they are not going to be any better off than if you don't. Damned if you do damned if you don't. Which gets me to thinking... no wonder it feels like everytime something bad happens it'll be evened out by something good. Blessing and cursings are just part of the balance, in the same way that gravity brings down what goes up. Superman defies these laws, but unfortunately he's as real as the god who loves me (truthfully, I'm not always that lovable).

I suppose Christians feel they can counter-balance this karma by petitioning their deity to offset it. I'm thinking that doesn't work, because I know just as much shit happens to Christians as it does to non-christians. On the other hand, if Christians do stick to the morals and ethics passed down through generations in much the same way the other religions do with their holy books then good is more likely to come to them by the very reasoning that spurs along the golden rule of spreading niceness.

They say that bad things comes in threes, but if you practice throwing a dice like we do in Primary School mathematics you'll notice that approximately every 6th throw lands on a 6. Three good things will then eventually balance out the bad. That's the balance, in my opinion, and it's just simple maths. The new agists are preaching lately that positive thoughts have an effect on random chance and can provide the bias that'll send your life into prosperity... Tony Robbins style... but those guys are just plain crazy, but at least they're thinking for us.

Know what I mean?

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Hi Sea urchin (is that a play on words for Searching?) - Not once did I suggest that you suggested you'd pray and fast. I was just playing with the ideas that certain things might make God take notice... like fasting... or praying for 30 minutes rather than 5 etc. I wasn't at all meaning to offend you. You just triggered some thoughts.No problem, I'm thinking of you right now, in fact. "Think without ceasing"... that's my motto.

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Howdy Mr Mothman

And all this time I thought your motto was 'cease without thinking'  LOL.  You're right about S Urchin - when I first entered forum land, I was kinda searchin' still and it was just that - a play on words. (also cos I'm a delicate little creature, NOT)  In case you thought I was offended or whatever by your comments, I was definitely not - just having a bit of a laugh and stir around actually - I'm really not an overly sensitive person and having put up with my husband (biggest stirrer on two legs) for 29 years (married 25 yrs last month) am able to put up with anything/anyone LOL.!  I have also worked with 6 big ugly brutes for 12 years now and I learnt early on to not take garbage from them but to give as good (if not better) than I got.  So.. it's all cool ! 

In all seriousness for a moment,  how could God (my god) NOT love you? You are a loveable, cute, great, fantastic, sweet, 'hard on the outside-soft on the inside'  kind of guy !!

S Urch

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Reply to : earth5.....any futher re investigationon House churches, interested to see what you have found and what your views areearth5Had a brief look at the website. First impression seems like they have something going for them. Will try to make contact with them personally this week, so keep you informed.I have beenin the throw's of having sessions at home, starting with my own family, but I have to be assured in my heart first that I have the proper foundation to build on and be a usefulinstrument for the Lord'swork.Hopefully this group is a help or whatever.brolga.

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cool good luck with it all,, if its of God it will all work out, just keep seeking his face and his will to be Manifest in you r life

earth5