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RE:Shit, fuck or hallelujah?
(Date Posted:11/05/2008 09:40:56)
I have always found this a very complex issue in my life and one that forms the basis, I believe, of so much finger pointing and judgement of others coming from Revival and like religions.
There are specific commandments in scripture a Christian has to adhere, that also apply to us today, not withstanding the ten commandments are there, that society may function successfully, if followed.
Yes, there are scriptures that give examples how one should act as a Christian and we need to practice such, but they are missing the whole point of what mankind had become due to the fall ("he that has understanding let him read") and is still in that same state.
If we think we are saved and better than the next bloke just because we never swear and curse and we attend church meetings regularly, etc., then we become self righteous and hypocrits.
Human fraility is very much a part of our fallen nature. Things happen to us sometimes that stretch our patience to the limit and we respond naturally in a defensive way, even to the point of losing our temper and it can have devastating effect. This is only human nature which we have inherited and remains untill death.
The other side of the coin however is that we can do and say certain things willfully and that just displays other human traits, arrogance, pride, selfishness,etc.,
I don't believe it has anything to do with health for the mind and soul nor nobility, just have faith in Jesus and live the best you can considering all those about you.
brolga
(Message edited by brolga on 11/05/2008 09:44:17)
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RE:Shit, fuck or hallelujah?
(Date Posted:11/05/2008 11:05:15)
Thanks Brolga for offering your thoughts!
I guess (as you have touched on) central to this issue is the pillar of revivalist testimonial rhetoric "I used to drink, smoke and swear, but have stopped all that since I got saved" etc. It is virtually taught that any of these behaviours are an indicator of sinfulness, and a measure of one's spirituality (or lack thereof). Most learn to become quite well behaved, and language is quickly brought under control (at least when in revvers' company). Many give god the glory for these changes, but I really think 99% of it is simply learned behaviour as new converts want to fit in. If they don't, they soon either learn to hide it or leave (or get kicked out).
All very pretentious and false, and yes, judgemental & hypoctritical!
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RE:Shit, fuck or hallelujah?
(Date Posted:23/05/2008 03:11:07)
haha! Interesting topic??!!
I tend to use christian swear words, ie "Darn it", "Damn" "Crap" (although I didn't say that one in Revival as only about 50% of them thought it was acceptable) and sometimes I say "Gosh" or "Oh my Goodness" but pronounced oh-my-gooness (with a greek tone)
Coz i haven't been on here awhile I sometimes forget what it was like in revival. I wouldnt bat an eyelid to what was said around me by people at church (let alone people anywhere outside of church) and if someone swears then that's just something they choose to do and haven't stopped yet, if they ever even want to. Everyone's on a journey, no-one's perfect from the time they say their first "shubadabubada" and yet Revival expects that kind of behaviour from the word go.
Pull the beam out of your own eye before you pick on someone's swearing (Set Free Interpretation) ;-)
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RE:Shit, fuck or hallelujah?
(Date Posted:25/05/2008 21:03:57)
One guy I used to know (an Australian) used to sometimes utter the word "FUUUU..." and then change it to "FUUUU...AR OUT!" just in time.
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RE:Shit, fuck or hallelujah?
(Date Posted:12/06/2008 08:19:02)
Ah yes - I used to do the fuu-ar out thing all the time myself at RCI.
I remember getting a marriage counselling session from Simon Longfield in a last ditch to save my marriage, and he told us that most of the couples that went to him for counselling would yell expletives at each other during the sessions.
Anyway to answer the question, if I hit my hand with a hammer, bad luck whatever came out came out. If it was something that was controllable, for the sake of whoever was around and the example you set I would try not to swear, especially if children are around. But when in the clicky groups you end up being in we all used expletives every now and then. I think in the end those who swear like troopers in their everyday conversations will most likely swear like one when falling off a mountain bike, and obviously the same in revese. So what is healthy in everyday conversation? Obviously take away the two extreme ends and somewhere in the middle is healthy, that's what I reckon any. If you don't like that then why don't you go and get far out of here you country basketball player!
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RE:Shit, fuck or hallelujah?
(Date Posted:08/07/2008 17:20:50)
According to Ian, he didn't utter a thing... He woke up in a hospital bed and now he still carries some sort of injury... Perhaps God is setting Ian up for the next phase in his call of service to God.... Perhaps an early departure from the Army ??? so God can use him better elsewhere.. And I don't think that God would put Ian through all that extensive theological training just to let Ian hide away in an Army depot somewhere in the wilderness of Victoria and perhaps that mountain bike experience might well turn out to be God's new door of opportunity to a whole brand new level for Ian..
Ahh may I prooftext an old favorite from Romans
" And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, ( including a mountain bike experience !! ) who have been called according to His purpose "
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RE:Shit, fuck or hallelujah?
(Date Posted:08/07/2008 18:56:39)
Ahh! I don't think I would like to experience such as Ian's incident for God to set me up for service, it is painful enough going through marriage breakups and let-downs of life.
I guess it is our reaction to it that determines the outcome of the objective.
Me, I am still waiting to see if/what God wants me for.
Ralph
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Reply To brolga
(Date Posted:08/07/2008 22:43:45)
Reply to brolga (08/07/2008 16:56:39)
Ahh! I don't think I would like to experience such as Ian's incident for God to set me up for service, it is painful enough going through marriage breakups and let-downs of life.
I guess it is our reaction to it that determines the outcome of the objective.
Me, I am still waiting to see if/what God wants me for.
Ralph
Well the first step can be to exam/search out what Giftings,i.e. spiritual and otherwise that have been placed on your life by the Godhead.. Ask God to show you what your spiritual giftings are because your giftings are your tools toward " getting the job done "....
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Reply To Disciple
(Date Posted:08/07/2008 23:16:53)
Hi, Eric.
According to Ian, he didn't utter a thing...
Not quite, I did have one or two things to say, but I didn't swear if that's what you meant.
He woke up in a hospital bed and now he still carries some sort of injury...
Again, such is not quite the situation. After I regained consciousness I did a quick appreciation of my situation, the only option available to me was to walk 3.5km to get somewhere where I could actually call for an ambulance. Then I was transported to hospital, then I was (for want of a better word) "treated".
Perhaps God is setting Ian up for the next phase in his call of service to God.... Perhaps an early departure from the Army ???
Well, not if I have any say in the matter! For the record, I enjoy what I currently do, it's my particular calling, I'm good at it, and it's allowed me to do a considerable good for a range of different people over the years. Being basically Reformed in my theology, I wholeheartedly subscribe to Calvin's concept of the "sacred" rather than the "secular" vocation. My military calling is as much a "sacred" calling is that of a priest/pastor/minister. I certainly approach what I do with this frame-of-reference in mind.
...so God can use him better elsewhere.. And I don't think that God would put Ian through all that extensive theological training just to let Ian hide away in an Army depot somewhere in the wilderness of Victoria...
First up, let me suggest that the word "better" is a thoroughly subjective adjective. I'm confident that there are people in places "seldom visited" by most who would state that they are thankful that I'm a military man, and not simply a well-meaning "Bible thumper". Secondly, I've had considerably greater military training than I have had theological training, noting that my formal qualifications are currently split down the middle between the two. Once I complete the doctorate, then the scales tip in favour of the theological. So noting this, do you honestly think that God would put me through the "wringer" gaining these sorts of experiences (let's face it, theological learning has been a walk-in-the-park compared to a lot of what I've had to go through in the Army) for nothing? I doubt it. Third, please understand that I ain't hiding anywhere, and certainly not in the supposed wilds of "backwoods" VictoriaL: I'm not Gunnery Sergeant Bob Lee Swagger from The Shooter! Living where I do I've been able to help university students who study theology at one of the local universities, something I know they are grateful about. And finally, for many similar sorts of reasons, I doubt that anyone adequately informed of what I've done and do would suggest that my theological training has gone to waste, for no other reason than me engaging in my chosen vocation.
Careful, bro'.
Ian
(Message edited by Didaktikon on 09/07/2008 04:46:46)
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