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(Date Posted:24/02/2009 02:23:08)

Hello again to all the GRC members logging on.

As I said in a previous post, if you know the group you're in has really gone wrong, taken a wrong turn, you may be thinking to yourself that if you just hang in there and try to ignore the unbiblical practices and ideas around you, that God will do something, so you won't have to.

I hope you can see that that thinking is a real cop out.
As a follower of Christ (I trust that that is what you still want to be)you are supposed to stand for the truth, and that does not mean that when you know your church and your leaders have really and truly gone wrong, that you remain silent and do nothing, justifying your silence by saying it's all up to God.
 
 But I've learnt that some of you are justifying your inaction because of the way you understand a certain scripture, and of course Noel has taught you to understand that scripture in such a way so that he can lord it over you.
The scripture is about where King David was being oppressed unjustly by King Saul, and David wouldn't do anything against Saul because it would be wrong to "touch the Lord's annointed". Noel has made you think that that passage means that if your God given leader, or pastor of your church, goes wrong,then you musn't resist him, fight him, or confront him.

So you're thinking that just as David wouldn't openly fight against and overthrow Saul, so it would be wrong for you to openly confront Noel and others.Just like David did regarding Saul,you musn't "touch or smite the Lord's annointed", but like him, wait for God himself to do something.

David had the chance to kill Saul, but didn't, because he was the Lord's annointed.

 Can you really apply that to yourself and Noel or Tony Addison?

( I don't mean literally kill Noel of course,but as Noel himself has put it, it means you shouldn't rise up and challenge your pastor).
 
David wouldn't harm Saul, because he was the Lord's annointed,meaning that he was the legally appointed King over the nation.He was the lawfully authorised political leader of his nation. David was not going to be involved in political assination, he was not willing to overthrow the lawful government through armed revolt and murder.
 
As far as the people of the nation of Israel were concerned,Saul was their rightful and lawful King, and if David had killed him and violently replaced his government with his own, the people would not have accepted it.
 
There's a big difference between a King of the ancient nation of Israel and a pastor of a Christian church. Or there should be.
 
You are not to regard Noel as a King over Israel!!!!!

He's not a King over you, as Saul was over Israel,

The New Teatament tells you that a church leader is not allowed to act like a King over the church. He's not to "lord it over"you, he's not to have unquestioned authority over you.

 The passage about Saul and David is about KINGS, not about pastors of the church.
 
Noel has twisted that passage so he can have unquestionable authority over you, just like a King, and if you honestly think he is wrong in the way he acts or speaks, and try to tell him so, or others, he will point to scriptures in the N.T about murmuring and complaining, and silence you.

Well, he is also using those verses about murmuring in a wrong way, out of context, because if you honestly believe that your church leader is seriously going wrong, the N.T indicates that you CAN confront and challenge him about it.
 
Go to Acts 11 verses 2 and 3.Peter had been led by God to enter the house of a non Jew, Cornelius.It was believed among Jews at this time, that they should not be friendly with pagan Gentiles, with all their idolatry and paganism, so entering the house of a pagan,and sitting down for a meal with him was considered unlawful.
 
Apparently, many in the church at this time(the entire church was made up of Jews)believed that,so when they heard that Peter had done that,not knowing that he had been led by God to do it,they thought that he'd really done something very wrong.

When Peter came to a meeting of the church it says "those of the circumcision contended with him". Take note of that.It wasn't just the other Apostles who "contended" with him, it was the Jewish members of the church, so called "laity",the people of the church, the members.
 
In the church of the Bible, if "ordinary"members thought that an Apostle had done wrong,they had the freedom to confront and challenge him.

Notice Peter's reaction to their criticism, he didn't tell them to shut up and how dare they tell him he had done wrong,he didn't rebuke them for murmuring and complaining and causing division and trouble in the church, no, "But Peter explained it to them...".

He patiently addressed their concerns.
 
Even an Apostle, personally chosen and taught by Christ himself, can be confronted and criticised by the members of the church, if they think he has done wrong.
 
You know you can't do that with Noel, but the big question is WHY CAN'T YOU DO IT? Who says you can't do it?
  

The New Testament says you can.
Look at Galatians 2.Paul saw influential men in the church going wrong, how did he react? Verse 5 "To whom we did not yield submission even for an hour...".

Paul could see that if those men had their way, the blessing and freedom of the Gospel would be destroyed in the church, so he just wouldn't go along with them, even for one hour.
 
Noel has destroyed the freedom and blessing of the Gospel in your group, you know that, but how long have you continued to submit to him?
  
One day? Two years? Eight years? A lot longer than one hour!!

Noel does not run his group like the "church of the Bible".

He has made you all regard him as a King ruling over you.
 
It truly is  shameful and degrading, that you continue to submit to such a man, when you know how wrong he is, it is personally degrading for you, to have to act like a servant towards a despotic King, who can't be questioned.
 
How do you do it?

How do you live with your conscience?

Why do you remain silent before such an arrogant man?

Groagan
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Re:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:30/10/2009 18:01:48)

I agree with you evil outsider I thought revival was bad for abuse they thought they were the only ones right as well.   Fremde,Jesus spent most of his time in the gutter talking to the sinners and prostitutes he loved their souls, whats your problem?
I beleive this sight is dying too many self righteous do gooders pushing what they believe to be right, no compassion.
All the pastors from revival must be having a great laugh about it.

(Message edited by Groagan On 30/10/2009 23:03:18)
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Re:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:30/10/2009 18:36:49)

Reply to Groagan
I agree with you evil outsider I thought revival was bad for abuse they thought they were the only ones right as well.   Fremde,Jesus spent most of his time in the gutter talking to the sinners and prostitutes he loved their souls, whats your problem?
I beleive this sight is dying too many self righteous do gooders pushing what they believe to be right, no compassion.
All the pastors from revival nust be having a great laugh about it.

What ever we may say on this forum, whether good or bad, doesn't alter the fact that all the Pastors from Revival have to answer for the false teaching and doctrine that are leading those that follow, to hell. They will be laughing the other side of their faces in the end if they don't repent and preach the truth.

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Re:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:30/10/2009 18:45:39)

 Groagan, Evil Outsider I agree wholeheartedly.

This site was originally intended as a place where people 'in or out' of the GRC could find comfort; have discussion with people who have experienced the same type of abuse, mental, spiritual, physical and even sexual; vent anger and frustration about the GRC; to find solace in the company of friends and to move on, spiritually and emotionally from these shared soul destroying experiences.

This site disintegrated last year after a prolonged attack by unwitting instruments (Trolls) still in the GRC.

While they were called to task, the site is in its death throes, thanks to them and the quality of the posts thereafter.

The GRC overseers must be ecstatic that people who post on this site are contributing to its rapid demise.

This site was once inspirational,educational and uplifting.

It is in such a sorry state now, beyond redemption perhaps.  

Such a shame.

Glad

 

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Re:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:30/10/2009 19:21:04)

Hi Glad,

It does seem tragic what is happening, but let's rejoice in the fact there have been many as a result of this forum have "seen the light" and are moving on in their salvation. Perhaps God's work is done here. Any that may want to move on still, there is enough material documented here for them to encourage them to the truth. Let the blind carry on if they wish to do so. God's purpose will be done regardless.

Ralph

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Re:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:30/10/2009 23:49:02)

Thanks Glad,It is not only the grc sight but the whole forum is dying the RELIGIOUS twits are now running the place.It was the RELIGIOUS twits of the time that crucified Christ. Galien you havent offended me,dont bother with them it is not worth it,turn the other cheek.
This forum should be called The Orthodoxy only forum.
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Re:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:31/10/2009 01:29:16)

Groagan,

"RELIGIOUS twits"; Whom may I ask are you referring to and what problem do you have with Orthodoxy?

Just curious

(Message edited by brolga On 31/10/2009 07:14:02)

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Reply To Groagan
(Date Posted:31/10/2009 02:01:30)

Good evening, "pooh-boy".

I take it that old Lukie's forum didn't provide you with the intellectual stimulation that you craved, hence your need to keep popping in here? smiley9

I'd like to offer the thought that there is an alternative name that we might consider. We could be so brash as to call the place: "the clueless whiners who fail to offer anything constructive" forum. It would certainly meet the needs of the current handful of whingers, but I fear were we to go down that path, the place would be like the GRC (lack of) discussion thread, and would be dead within a month. You see, history has demonstrated that (one or two noted exceptions aside) you former Hollins-ites are only ever happy when you're complaining

Goose.

Ian


(Message edited by Didaktikon On 31/10/2009 02:12:43)

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Re:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:31/10/2009 06:38:49)

Reply to Fremde


John,

Let the blind carry on if they wish to do so.(etc)

I hope you didn't think I was pointing at you with such statements as this, even for a second, not.

Ralph

(Message edited by brolga On 31/10/2009 06:39:31)

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Re:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:31/10/2009 08:40:39)

 Re:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:31/10/2009 07:54:48)

 HHmmmm, Fremde - I'm sorry that you interpreted my angst as encouraging Galien, it was more the cry of someone who once regarded this particular Forum site as a marvelous tool that could be used to free people from the tyranny of the GRC.

I think Brolga (being a person who has actually met me) was the one who understood my cry.

I do however stand rebuked by you because I relied on the interpretation of others, rather than scrolling back, to see exactly what you had written about drugs/medication for depression and illnesses etc. I apologise for that.

Funnily enough, I was INCLUDING Ian as part of the 'inspirational, educating and uplifting' force on this site. I just don't feel the need to harp on the fact that I am a convert now.

The war of words between Galien, Ian and whoever else joins in, is however, not educational and it is NOT edifying. It should not spill over and consume threads that were for an altogether different topic. My opinion only.

I believe (I could be wrong) that Ian and Galien on some level actually enjoy jousting with one another. Ian is a big boy - if he didn't want to continue with Galien, he wouldn't, it is as simple as that. He has the ability to remain detached while he educates, admonishes and argues with folk on the Forum. It is that ability that sets him apart from the rest of us. (pooh-boy --excepted)

So emotively speaking--- You expected better of me than to be sucked in by Galien's points of view, Galien's heresies will be on my head (and a couple of other people) and I (only me) may get more than fleas if I lie down with dogs.

I'm sorry, I seem to be a little detached myself tonight. I have only, very slightly, taken umbrage at your admonition.

Cheers,

Glad 



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(Message edited by Glad-to be out On 31/10/2009 08:24:30)

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Reply To Glad%2Dto%20be%20out
(Date Posted:31/10/2009 16:22:29)

Hi, Glad.

As you know, I tend towards writing with a twist of irony and my tongue planted firmly in my cheek, largely because such suits my particular sense of humour I've referred to Paul, several times now, as "pooh-boy" because: (1) his choice of 'handle' (i.e. "Groagan") is Australian slang for faeces, and (2) the content of his posts largely suits the epithet. Mea culpa!

Anyway, as you also know I gave an undertaking which I have long kept, and that was to avoid contributing to the 'GRC-only' sub-forum. However, I will join in with conversations that involve me, even if they appear in loosely GRC-themed threads. It often seems that such is the only interaction taking place in such threads anyhow (I've not personally seen anything "GRC-ish" that's been in any way constructive in ages).

And in closing you pegged me squarely, I do enjoy engaging with Galien on a certain level; she provides considerable 'grist' for my 'mill' (presenting as she does, as the archetypical example of an ignorant and wholly subjective Revivalist). Again, mea culpa! smiley9

Blessings,

Ian


(Message edited by Didaktikon On 31/10/2009 16:28:30)

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RE:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:31/10/2009 16:47:18)

And in closing you pegged me squarely, I do enjoy engaging with Galien on a certain level; she provides considerable 'grist' for my 'mill' (presenting as she does, as the archetypical example of an ignorant and wholly subjective Revivalist). Again, mea culpa! smiley9

As do middle aged army and ex army white guys who think they know everything about everything (including god) and love to ram it down the throats of others, and just want to be on top, whilst having no actual care for said others outside making sure they are on the right path to "right thinking". Now I wonder why that would provide grist for my mill?

None so blind as those who will not see.

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Re:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:31/10/2009 18:05:45)

Darn it, and I thought I read somewhere Galie was going to behave.

(Message edited by brolga On 31/10/2009 18:06:28)

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RE:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:31/10/2009 20:11:36)

Brolga,

Darn it, and I thought I read somewhere Galie was going to behave.

When I say behave I mean I will temper my language and keep the bitchy insults to an absolute minimum. What I won't do is ignore the truth of what is plainly in front of my eyes. To be honest Ralph, the thing that annoyed me more in revival than the oversight, was the members who watched bad things go down, complained about it regularly but never had the courage to say what needed to be said to the people that needed to hear it.

One of the things in life I don't understand is the apparent lack of courage in the average person to stand up against things that are unjust and inequitable. Just because a person is in charge of something, has a university degree or three, has managed to worm their way up a heirarchy system of any kind, or stands behind a pulpit every sunday does not make those people automatically right, trustworthy or integrous.   

As a young woman I allowed myself to be abused by a cult based on the above assumption. We all make decisions based on assumptions that are not even in our conscious minds. My experience with revival sent me on a journey to find out what is BEHIND what people do. What assumptions drive us, particularly the ones we never question. Now I question everything. I will never again allow a person no matter who they are or who they claim to represent get in between myself and my saviour.

But I will try and behave Brolga.smiley16smiley16smiley16smiley16




(Message edited by Galien On 31/10/2009 20:24:27)

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Reply To Galien
(Date Posted:31/10/2009 20:21:03)

Galien,

Well, I suppose that a person who is in charge of something, who does have a university degree or three, who has been successful at advancing in a hierarchical system of some kind, and who is invited to stand in a pulpit (or several) now and again; has at least one advantage over those who haven't achieved similarly. And that would be credibility smiley9

Goose.

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RE:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:31/10/2009 20:27:48)

Ian,

Well, I suppose that a person who is in charge of something, who does have a university degree or three, who has been successful at advancing in a hierarchical system of some kind, and who is invited to stand in a pulpit (or several) now and again; has at least one advantage over those who haven't achieved similarly. And that would be credibility.

Yes, I bet Hilary Clinton thought so too.

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Reply To Galien
(Date Posted:31/10/2009 20:38:41)

Galien,

Well now, in my defence me being: (1) monogamous, (2) completely faithful to my wife, and (3) never having been a sex worker; I guess I'll just have to defer to your considerable experience with/about those who simply can't keep their flies zipped and the effect of such on their credibility smiley17

Goose.

Ian

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RE:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:31/10/2009 20:38:47)

Ian

Well, I suppose that a person who is in charge of something, who does have a university degree or three, who has been successful at advancing in a hierarchical system of some kind, and who is invited to stand in a pulpit (or several) now and again; has at least one advantage over those who haven't achieved similarly. And that would be credibility

Well since your mate paul counted all that stuff as dung compared to knowing the measure of the stature of the fullness of christ, i guess we have a pretty good idea what it is worth to god.
It's just ego. That stuff exists to impress the neighbours, and if they are impressed by it then I guess they are either not very bright or they are just sucked in by the ways of the world.

Credibility looks more like this:

Therefore, as God's chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience.

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Reply To Galien
(Date Posted:31/10/2009 20:47:30)

Galien,

Ha, ha, ha. Speaking of credibility, I note that you're still "picking-and-choosing" which bits of Scripture you're prepared to "...wrest to your own destruction"

Goose.

Ian

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RE:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:31/10/2009 22:01:37)

Ian,

Ha, ha, ha. Speaking of credibility, I note that you're still "picking-and-choosing" which bits of Scripture you're prepared to "...wrest to your own destruction"

Well Mr Obedience who thinks he knows god better than any of us, perhaps you would like to explain to us why all those things paul counted as dung make you more credible than those personal qualities god INSTRUCTS us to take on.

"he has shown you o man what is good, and what does the lord require of you? to do justly, love mercy and walk humbly with your god"

Not a degree or a position of authority in sight. Funny that.

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Reply To Galien
(Date Posted:31/10/2009 22:13:26)

Galien,

I can sum things up in one word: "obedience". Whatever credibility I possess hinges on, and extends from, my single-minded obedience to God. I choose to do what he says; you should try it sometime.

Ian

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RE:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:31/10/2009 22:30:08)

Ian,

I can sum things up in one word: "obedience". Whatever credibility I possess hinges on, and extends from, my single-minded obedience to God.

Yes. It does. So stop waffling on about your credibility coming from other sources and show me and others some humility and kindness and I might listen to what you have to say.

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Reply To Galien
(Date Posted:31/10/2009 22:41:17)

Galien,

Go back and review. The only person who has consistently listed my "achievements", and has sought to tie them to my "credibility" (generally in order to attack my character), is you. But as for me needing to demonstrate "humility" and "kindness" towards you, so as to somehow garner your attention, well, piffle and nonsense smiley1  I lost all interest in caring whether you listened to me or not when it became obvious months ago, that you simply couldn't "cork" your "gob" for long enough to "hear" anyone else. Sorry, but all you are to me is an interesting side-distraction smiley9

Goose.

Ian

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RE:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:31/10/2009 23:18:59)

Ian,

Well, I suppose that a person who is in charge of something, who does have a university degree or three, who has been successful at advancing in a hierarchical system of some kind, and who is invited to stand in a pulpit (or several) now and again; has at least one advantage over those who haven't achieved similarly. And that would be credibility smiley9

I can sum things up in one word: "obedience". Whatever credibility I possess hinges on, and extends from, my single-minded obedience to God.

So is it the first one, or the second one, or are you a bit confused due to the heat? If you are saying the first extends from the second, I say, then send Mr Hinn a prayer cloth and he will make sure you get rich.

The only person who has consistently listed my "achievements", and has sought to tie them to my "credibility" (generally in order to attack my character), is you.

Well unless you catalogued them first as well as mentioning your six figure income, as well as using them to back up your so called credibilitry more than once, guess I wouldnt have much to go on now would I?  I don't attack your character Ian, I point out that you have some major lessons to learn when it comes to the love of god, which for all your study you are not even close to understanding.

People who understand such things dont need to google a person's name then write on a christian forum the name of the prescription drugs people have taken in the past, or bring up the fact they used to be a sex worker in order to attack THEIR character.

She who has been forgiven much, loves much.

But as for me needing to demonstrate "humility" and "kindness" towards you, so as to somehow garner your attention, well, piffle and nonsense

Well at least you can spell them, if not demonstrate them. As I have said to you many, many times I am more concerned with the nasty way you speak to others. It isnt irony, it isnt your sense of humour, its you being mean because it rings your bells to know you are verbally able to shred others. Has nothing to do with me getting your attention, rather establishing said credibility as a man who knows god.

 smiley1  I lost all interest in caring whether you listened to me or not when it became obvious months ago, that you simply couldn't "cork" your "gob" for long enough to "hear" anyone else. Sorry, but all you are to me is an interesting side-distraction smiley9

Well being the legalist you are Ian I would not have expected the slightest shred of actual care for my soul from you.

In all fairness though, those of us who truly love god are always capable of change. Im sure if you ever get past this pious nonsense, I'm sure with god's help you will be one outstanding human being and child of god.smiley15

(Message edited by Galien On 31/10/2009 23:51:24)

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Reply To Galien
(Date Posted:01/11/2009 00:48:14)

Galien,

You are indeed the mistress of global statements! smiley1 My advice? You really do need to check that penchant for, how shall we put it? "Embellishing" the truth?

To begin with my academic achievements are relatively well known here, and are apparently a source of either embarrassment or envy to some, given that  every now and then someone like you raises them to conclusively "prove" that I'm a follower of the "letter" rather than the "spirit" of the law Am I ashamed of the fact that I've spent a number of years being obedient to God, in learning how to read and interpret Scripture honestly so as to teach it to others? Hardly, and why should I be? Second, my comment about my "six figure salary" had a specific context in a specific discussion. As I recall it had something to do with you attacking any and all who were "successful" according the "the world's" standards of success (apparently to you being successful in life has less to do with hard work then it does with buying into an ungodly system). Sour grapes on your part, methinks. Goose. Third, it isn't I who has misunderstood what's entailed in actually loving God. After all, I've pointed you to several biblical passages that tie such love to obedience, yet you never respond to this rather inconvenient truth, do you? Fourth, I didn't need to "Google" your name in order to determine the fact that you've been medicated for depression for most of your adult life, and that you've been in therapy for around twenty years. You've mentioned both facts yourself. Fifth, you might have forgotten, but it was you who quite candidly admitted to having been a whore; you did so several times in fact, and generally within the context of one of your "Oh woe is me, all men are evil" episodes. Perhaps your comment was tied to one of the many, "I've loved and followed Jesus since I was nine", speeches, but I can't honestly recall. However, that you did try to imply a link between me and Bill Clinton's peccadillo via inference is really quite ironic, when you think about it. Sixth, why should I continue wasting effort or concern in attempting to "reach out" to you, when all you're interested in doing is slapping away the hands of everyone who does, all the while engaging in rampant acts of self-justification for your rebellion against God and your hate for Christians and the Church? Hypocrite. Seventh, given your most recent use of the word, I'm guessing that you understand what is implied by the term "legalist" about as well as you do what's implied by the Bible's teaching on obedience! Remember what happened when you called me a "Pharisee" recently? Eighth, I stopped caring for your soul about the same time that I stopped trying to convince you to give give greater heed to Scripture and lesser weight to your multiplied and erroneous opinions. Unlike you, it seems, I'm not a slow learner.

In a nutshell, m'dear; you lie, misrepresent, misconstrue, misquote, besmirch, belittle and play the hypocrite far too frequently for me to lose a moment's peace worrying about how you perceive me smiley12
Goose.

Ian


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Re:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:01/11/2009 00:56:57)

As I have said to you many, many times I am more concerned with the nasty way you speak to others.

Ian, quit being nasty to me when you are explaining to me the correct interpretaion of scripture and the path to take into eternal life. smiley11

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RE:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:01/11/2009 01:56:56)

Brolga,

Ian, quit being nasty to me when you are  explaining to  me the  correct interpretaion of scripture and the path to take  into eternal life

Why would he be nasty to you? You always agree with him and infer you cannot find eternal life without his help. Which is of course, exactly how he likes it.

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RE:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:01/11/2009 02:11:56)

Ralph and Ian,

And you both changed toward me when I stopped blustering and started praying and listening! Heh heh heh, it seems there is a pattern. Of course you and I Brolga could always fall back on being old (or is that ancient?) but we both know that In would not have cut us any slack, no not for one moment, and God be thank that he didn't!

Thanks Ian for the reminder of the interesting sequence of Galien's confessions. Like all self deluded (throw Brolga and me into that mix in the recent past and perhaps you Ian in the very very distant past), Galien is in a downhill spiral of self justification with no scriptural, spiritual or credible basis to her heretical, and pick out what she wants, and make up what she wants, as she goes along heresy. I did pray last night and I will pray again that she sooner rather than later repents, in the true meaning of repent, a change of heart, a change of mind, and finally decides, as long line of the repentant before her, that her way is not God's way.

Glad, my response was narky, and I apologise for my excessive admonition to you.

I, as one who, like a dog returned to my vomit, and had an excessive prodigal life, before finding more grace with God. Unlike Galein, I am not proud of it. I find Galien's imaginings and suppositions about Ian not just to be excessive, but slanderous, deceitful and devilish. It is one thing to when losing and argument to name call, it is another to attack a person's, morality, charity to those in need, decency, marital faithfulness, loving kindness as a father and husband etc. without one skerrick of evidence, but rather, borne out of misandry, disobedience, rejection of sound doctrine and an over active mind that creates poison out of what is "thought to be" rather than reality. Galien condemns that Ian earns a six figure salary. Is that a crime? How much does he disperse to the poor? The scripture says that "they that are rich should be rich in good works" 1 Timothy 6:18. On what basis does she condemn? Silly me, is there ever any basis to her slander? Some years ago my company made over one million dollars profit in one year. No doubt she will be apoplectic when she reads this! How's that Ian? Big enough cat among the pigeons for her do you think?

Galien stands condemned because of her personal, untrue and vile attacks on Ian's character, and she lost any credibility with me and many others on this forum on that alone. My "gutter" comment still stands, there was no inference to upbringing or social status but simply the vile, I repeat, her vile utterances.

Galien has "upped the ante" to speak and now tries her tricks on me. There is no innocence. It is typical of anyone that is a selfish attention getter, they try on anything that they think will draw away the exposure of their own shortcomings, their lack of care for others, their self focus. Don't forget of course that with such a character, there is always the self justification that the opposite is the case. Watch this space, as, on call, true to form Galien will re-counter true to type, about as genuine as a three dollar banknote. It is not that she can't help herself, it is because she won't help herself.

She needs a lot of prayer, but repentance and a change of life's choices are what she really needs.

John
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Re:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:01/11/2009 02:13:47)

galie,

Don't you recognize sarcasm when you see it? Sorry, it was me being nasty.

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RE:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:01/11/2009 02:22:30)

Ralph, Whoops missed your other post.

I hope you didn't think  I was pointing at you with such statements as this, even for a second,

No, no, no I did not think that for a second. Stone the crows! That bothersome shrew has got us fighting shadows!

Bless you brother,

John
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RE:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:01/11/2009 02:26:15)




Ian

To begin with my academic achievements are relatively well known here, and are apparently a source of either embarrassment or envy to some, given that  every now and then someone like you raises them to conclusively "prove" that I'm a follower of the "letter" rather than the "spirit" of the law 

No its the fact you think you are better than others that has that affect

 Second, my comment about my "six figure salary" had a specific context in a specific discussion.

Face it Ian, only a tosser would say that in any forum.

 As I recall it had something to do with you attacking any and all who were "successful" according the "the world's" standards of success (apparently to you being successful in life has less to do with hard work then it does with buying into an ungodly system).

Seeing I have never had a problem with hard work I wouldn't know.

Third, it isn't I who has misunderstood what's entailed in actually loving God. After all, I've pointed you to several biblical passages that tie such love to obedience, yet you never respond to this rather inconvenient truth, do you?

Don't have to. Love God with all my heart soul mind and strength.

Fourth, I didn't need to "Google" your name in order to determine the fact that you've been medicated for depression for most of your adult life, and that you've been in therapy for around twenty years.

Been medicated since 1994, not most of my adult life, more's the pity. And the undertones are not lost on anyone with a brain. We know you think depression is a result of a weakness of some kind. Ignorant goose.

Fifth, you might have forgotten, but it was you who quite candidly admitted to having been a whore; you did so several times in fact, and generally within the context of one of your "Oh woe is me, all men are evil" episodes.

I admitted to being a sex worker, not a whore. But seeing you enjoyed labelling me as such, enjoy. Since my sin has been forgiven and removed as far as the east is from the west, I no longer have any shame, even though your brand of christian ALWAYS tries to pop it on my account when no one is looking. Part of that whole "I would never do anything like THAT" delusion that some christians have.

Perhaps your comment was tied to one of the many, "I've loved and followed Jesus since I was nine", speeches

Not a speech, a reality, but not one I would expect you to understand.

However, that you did try to imply a link between me and Bill Clinton's peccadillo via inference is really quite ironic, when you think about it.

Gee u r dumb sometimes. I was saying that just because a person might have power and education that is no reason to ASSUME they are trustworthy. At no point did I, or would I accuse you of such a thing. 

 Sixth, why should I continue wasting effort or concern in attempting to "reach out" to you, when all you're interested in doing is slapping away the hands of everyone who does, all the while engaging in rampant acts of self-justification for your rebellion against God and your hate for Christians and the Church?

I don't hate anyone Ian. I am embarrassed that the church cannot do any better and at times makes Jesus a laughing stock before the wider world with its inability to be honest with itself and others. And oh dear, I don't go to church, what a rebellious evil cow I am.

Seventh, given your most recent use of the word, I'm guessing that you understand what is implied by the term "legalist" about as well as you do what's implied by the Bible's teaching on obedience! Remember what happened when you called me a "Pharisee" recently?

Yes I do, you waffled on with rubbish and refused to take responsibility for your legalism. You have a problem with the letter of the law mister. 

Eighth, I stopped caring for your soul about the same time that I stopped trying to convince you to give give greater heed to Scripture and lesser weight to your multiplied and erroneous opinions.

Oh, so you can only care for my soul if I agree with you? Ian I never invited you to convince me of anything, you have been the one who rudely continues to hammer me.

Unlike you, it seems, I'm not a slow learner.

Only when it comes to how to stop looking down on others and treating those who disagree with you with some respect. But we will continue to pray for you.

In a nutshell, m'dear; you lie, misrepresent, misconstrue, misquote, besmirch, belittle and play the hypocrite far too frequently for me to lose a moment's peace worrying about how you perceive me

With an ego the size of yours, I wouldn't expect anything else.



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Re:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:01/11/2009 02:38:34)

Brolga,

I don't think you could be nasty if you tried.

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RE:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:01/11/2009 02:49:51)

Fremde,

 Galien condemns that Ian earns a six figure salary. Is that a crime? How much does he disperse to the poor? The scripture says that "they that are rich should be rich in good works" 1 Timothy 6:18. On what basis does she condemn? Silly me, is there ever any basis to her slander? Some years ago my company made over one million dollars profit in one year. No doubt she will be apoplectic when she reads this! How's that Ian? Big enough cat among the pigeons for her do you think?

I could care less what he or anyone else earns. EVERYONE knows why people mention how much their salary is and only tossers do it. One million profit? Is that all?

One can serve god or mammon, but not both.






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RE:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:01/11/2009 03:02:40)

Is that all? Well that was only one year. A stockbroker in the USA some years ago made a billion in one year. He said it was not enough to live on ...but it was a start.

You could care less? The vulgar epithet betrayed you, or should I say, revealed you once again for what you are.

One can obey God's Word in the Bible or excuse yourself as to why not. One cannot do both.
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RE:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:01/11/2009 03:23:39)

Ian,

I forgot to thank you for bring to remembrance a scripture a few days back. Galein refuted that Jesus suffering was an act of obedience, which is to be expected as it is in the Bible and it comes under her heading of the bits she rejects because they are contrary to her doctrine.

The scripture of course is "Although he (Jesus) was a son, he learned obedience through what he suffered" (Hebrews 5:8 ESV)

In your last posting you said of Galein "you lie, misrepresent, misconstrue, misquote, besmirch, belittle and play the hypocrite far too frequently"

And effortlessly, true to form, to ensure there was no doubt whatsoever that you are right, she answered using that exact framework. Affirmation of your morality, a tragedy for hers.

I think from now on I shall think of her as Mary Baker Eddy Aimee Semple McPherson Galien

The similarities are astounding.

John
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RE:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:01/11/2009 03:23:56)

Is that all? Well that was only one year. A stockbroker in the USA some years ago made a billion in one year. He said it was not enough to live on ...but it was a start.

You could care less? The vulgar epithet betrayed you, or should I say, revealed you once again for what you are.

Bothersome shrew wasn't it? What a shame you can't just burn us at the stake anymore.

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RE:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:01/11/2009 03:30:39)

True to form. You add what your sick mind construes.
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RE:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:01/11/2009 03:33:20)

Fremde,

True to form. You add what your sick mind construes.

Nope. Just been around long enough to understand how it all works.


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RE:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:01/11/2009 03:47:49)

Perhaps I misunderstood you. You say you were in a pool today. Did someone strap you to a dunking stool? Did they warn you of the consequences next time, hence your confused mind blaming me as your current misandrist target? I certainly don't advocate burning you at the stake, what a waste of good firewood that would be!

"There stands, my friend, in yonder pool
An engine called the ducking-stool;
By legal power commanded down
The joy and terror of the town.
If jarring females kindle strife,
Give language foul, or lug the coif,
If noisy dames should o­nce begin
To drive the house with horrid din,
Away, you cry, you'll grace the stool;
We'll teach you how your tongue to rule.

The fair offender fills the seat
In sullen pomp, profoundly great;
Down in the deep the stool descends,
But here, at first, we miss our ends;
She mounts again and rages more
Than ever vixen did before.
So, throwing water o­n the fire
Will make it but burn up the higher.

If so, my friend, pray let her take
A second turn into the lake,
And, rather than your patience lose,
Thrice and again repeat the dose.
No brawling wives, no furious wenches,
No fire so hot but water quenches."

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RE:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:01/11/2009 04:15:35)

Fremde,

Perhaps I misunderstood you. You say you were in a pool today. Did someone strap you to a dunking stool? Did they warn you of the consequences next time, hence your confused mind blaming me as your current misandrist target? I certainly don't advocate burning you at the stake, what a waste of good firewood that would be!

"There stands, my friend, in yonder pool
An engine called the ducking-stool;
By legal power commanded down
The joy and terror of the town.
If jarring females kindle strife,
Give language foul, or lug the coif,
If noisy dames should o­nce begin
To drive the house with horrid din,
Away, you cry, you'll grace the stool;
We'll teach you how your tongue to rule.

I bet you know that one word for word. But the question is, how does one teach a man to tame his tongue?

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RE:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:01/11/2009 04:19:04)

I have things to do. In Ian's and my absence, Galien try not to make up plots against yourself, dream up things you think we think, or think we could say, "understanding how it all works" (that was a doozy!), imagine we are coming to get you and burn your or whatever. The only things that might be coming to get you might be mosquitoes (the foul mouth might also attract blowflies). Perhaps they might not be attracted to you, they no doubt have more discernment than you. Try repeating to yourself over and over "paranoia is no longer going to rule my whole being", it might not work, but it will be a whole lot better than seeking innocent misandrist targets as your bogeymen.

Just one more thing ....you don't like liver, fava beans and chianti perchance do you?
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RE:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:01/11/2009 04:22:07)

Fremde,

Try repeating to yourself over and over "paranoia is no longer going to rule my whole being", it might not work, but it will be a whole lot better than seeking innocent misandrist targets as your bogeymen.

You two, innocent?

Just one more thing ....you don't like liver, fava beans and chianti perchance do you?

You wanna hope not.

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RE:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:01/11/2009 05:20:02)

Galien,

I bet you know that one word for word.

You just can't help yourself and wont try will you. See the weblink under the quote? I found it after you made your sick, screwy, paranoid, self-pitying quote about me wanting to burn you at the stake. Because you know how "it" works. Whatever "it" is. Do you realise what a screwy comment that is?

But the question is, how does one teach a man to tame his tongue?

That's easy, show a little kindness. Act with some dignity. Show humility and you'll get humility in return. Be an example. Obey God and show the fruit of the Spirit. Love and obey God's Word as holy and say and do no contradiction to it. Let no corrupt speech come from your lips or in your writing. Act like a friend and you will get friendship in return. As you sow, so shall you reap. If you sow frowardness, rancour, spite, vitriol and hatred, you will reap the same but more plentifully. Don't be a gainsayer. Tongue taming has no gender.

We learn by example. When I sat in the Officer's Mess (with my wife) at Victoria Barracks on Friday, I realized I was the lowest ranking ex-officer in the room. I was treated as an equal. I have a few "bugs" from 38 years ago. I subtly asked a few questions of three or four people. I came away incredibly edified, counselled, nurtured and enlightened. I invited a man for whom (with others) I had formed an honour guard nearly forty years ago, to join a reunion barbecue we intend to have in our new apartment with those officers I graduated with in 1971. I sensed he was a bit lonely. He accepted with glee! The night wasn't for me about eating and drinking. It was about finding out, fellowshipping, learning, enlightenment, getting answers to misconceptions and burying some gripes. I have differing values, beliefs, aspirations, opinions, lifestyle to many of the men and women at the dinner, that didn't mean I couldn't enjoy their company and be edified.

You described yourself in an earlier post as young. At 50 you are a bit delusional. You have an extremely closed mind which is not a trait of the young. At nearly 61, I am still learning and open to rebuke, exhortation, correction etc. despite having had many undeserved kicks in my life, because I look forward, not ever backward and dwelling on it, as you. You are old and bitter already and by the national average you have forty per cent of your life still to live!

Allegorically, you are not a bucket half full or half empty person. You hate buckets! Because the bucket is the wrong colour, or the water too cold, too hot, you don't like water anyway, or whatever. Anyway you reckon a sieve is better than a bucket anyway! It like your arguments won't hold water.

Chuck your spiritual sieve away! To continue my allegory, some people throw water over you and get you wet in the hope some will land in the bucket and fill it eventually. David only had a cup, but it ran over for him.

Goodnight
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Re:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:01/11/2009 05:26:13)

Fremde,

One should never lose one's sense of humour. Once lost, they are incredibly hard to find.

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Reply To Galien
(Date Posted:01/11/2009 16:10:54)

Galien,

To begin with my academic achievements are relatively well known here, and are apparently a source of either embarrassment or envy to some, given that  every now and then someone like you raises them to conclusively "prove" that I'm a follower of the "letter" rather than the "spirit" of the law.

No its the fact you think you are better than others that has that affect.

Really? Well that's quite an interesting proposition given that I've not once ever claimed to being "better" than anyone else. More knowledgeable than many about Scripture? Certainly. More capable with respect to biblical interpretation than most? Absolutely. But "better"? For what it's worth, I believe the issue is likely that your obsessive-compulsive tendencies, coupled with your mistaken belief that all people are equal, leads you to be continually "competing" against others--in this case, me

Second, my comment about my "six figure salary" had a specific context in a specific discussion.

Face it Ian, only a tosser would say that in any forum.

Is that so? And how would you describe someone, then, who has at various times publicised the following details about herself on this forum: (1) that she believes herself to be intellectually "gifted", and "smarter" than most people. (2) That she doesn't need to heed the advice of anyone, whether medical doctor or theologian, given that she is perfectly capable of "reading books" for herself. (3) That she has worked as a prostitute, in spite of claiming to have followed Jesus wholeheartedly since the age of nine. (4) That she was dismissed from employment at a school quite recently, for engaging in a sexual relationship with one of the children, and then in spite of claiming to have followed Jesus wholeheartedly since the age of nine. Would such qualify for the epithet, "tosser"?

Goose.

Third, it isn't I who has misunderstood what's entailed in actually loving God. After all, I've pointed you to several biblical passages that tie such love to obedience, yet you never respond to this rather inconvenient truth, do you?

Don't have to. Love God with all my heart soul mind and strength.

I see. So God gets to have your "heart, soul, mind and strength", but you get to keep your will?! The actual point that I made above, and which you yet again avoided responding to, was that according to the biblical teaching "love" for God is contingent upon "obedience" to him.

Been medicated since 1994, not most of my adult life, more's the pity. And the undertones are not lost on anyone with a brain. We know you think depression is a result of a weakness of some kind. Ignorant goose.

And you know that, do you? Based on which statements of mine to such an effect? That I once said that I was more robust emotionally than you? Or was it something else? Please feel free to elaborate.

Fifth, you might have forgotten, but it was you who quite candidly admitted to having been a whore; you did so several times in fact, and generally within the context of one of your "Oh woe is me, all men are evil" episodes.

I admitted to being a sex worker, not a whore. But seeing you enjoyed labelling me as such, enjoy. Since my sin has been forgiven and removed as far as the east is from the west, I no longer have any shame, even though your brand of christian ALWAYS tries to pop it on my account when no one is looking. Part of that whole "I would never do anything like THAT" delusion that some christians have.

A "sex worker"? What's that? "Politically correct" speech? According to my dictionary the definition for "whore" is as follows: (noun) a woman who engages in sexual activities for payment, a prostitute. Isn't that exactly what you admitted to being? Ergo, how is my use of that particular word misleading? Furthermore, given your penchant for, and obvious enjoyment in, falsely labeling others (e.g. "legalist", "Pharisee", etc) I'm surprised that you can keep a straight face whilst playing the hypocrite once again smiley9 There are failings, both moral and ethical, which are par for the course with being human. However, choosing to be a "sex worker", and choosing to have sex with a minor when employed in a position of trust, don't really fall in the aforementioned category. And I doubt that you would be able to find very many Christians of any persuasion who would disagree with me on this point. So what is it? Another example of you worrying about the "splinters" in others' eyes, but ignoring the "beam" in your own?

However, that you did try to imply a link between me and Bill Clinton's peccadillo via inference is really quite ironic, when you think about it.

Gee u r dumb sometimes. I was saying that just because a person might have power and education that is no reason to ASSUME they are trustworthy. At no point did I, or would I accuse you of such a thing.

Obviously. Which explains why other people made the same connection that I did given that you had been discussing me, and that I had responded concerning your statements about me. Or is it simply the case that you use the English language differently to most people? smiley11

Sixth, why should I continue wasting effort or concern in attempting to "reach out" to you, when all you're interested in doing is slapping away the hands of everyone who does, all the while engaging in rampant acts of self-justification for your rebellion against God and your hate for Christians and the Church?

I don't hate anyone Ian. I am embarrassed that the church cannot do any better and at times makes Jesus a laughing stock before the wider world with its inability to be honest with itself and others. And oh dear, I don't go to church, what a rebellious evil cow I am.

To begin with, 'yes', you are "a rebellious evil cow". But I don't think Jesus really needs you to be worrying about how the world perceives his Church, especially given the massive world-wide numerical growth in Christianity over the past two hundred years. Anyway, to respond to another of your many "untruths", you've made it abundantly clear exactly what you think of Christians and the Christian Church both here and in the 'CBox'.

Seventh, given your most recent use of the word, I'm guessing that you understand what is implied by the term "legalist" about as well as you do what's implied by the Bible's teaching on obedience! Remember what happened when you called me a "Pharisee" recently?

Yes I do, you waffled on with rubbish and refused to take responsibility for your legalism. You have a problem with the letter of the law mister.

And yet another lie (you're really "on a roll" with this lack of truth telling, aren't you?). I didn't respond to your misinformed and childish name-calling quips re: "Pharisee", but Shoes; however, gave you an abbreviated history lesson on the matter which apparently succeeded in temporarily "corking" your "gob". And of course, obedience to God's will as outlined in Scripture doesn't make one a legalist, it makes one a Christian. But given your particularly low level of biblical and theological literacy, I'm not particularly surprised that you'd make such an obvious error.

Eighth, I stopped caring for your soul about the same time that I stopped trying to convince you to give give greater heed to Scripture and lesser weight to your multiplied and erroneous opinions.

Oh, so you can only care for my soul if I agree with you? Ian I never invited you to convince me of anything, you have been the one who rudely continues to hammer me.

Stop playing the hypocrite for a moment and reflect on the fact of what I actually said above. I didn't say anything about the need to agree with me. I simply stated that you needed to heed Scripture more than you did your personal opinions. And such has been my consistent refrain with you these past months.

In a nutshell, m'dear; you lie, misrepresent, misconstrue, misquote, besmirch, belittle and play the hypocrite far too frequently for me to lose a moment's peace worrying about how you perceive me.

With an ego the size of yours, I wouldn't expect anything else.

And given your displayed psychopathology to date, I didn't really expect a rational, objective or unemotive response from you. I guess, then, neither of us was particularly surprised smiley9

Goose.

Ian
   


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RE:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:01/11/2009 16:59:34)

Ian

A "sex worker"? What's that? "Politically correct" speech? According to my dictionary the definition for "whore" is as follows: (noun) a woman who engages in sexual activities for payment, a prostitute. Isn't that exactly what you admitted to being?

So? I have no problem telling the truth about anything I have done. And after dragging around a b double of shame for 20 years after the fact even though I had been forgiven, your opinion means nothing. Clearly Ian when I asked you what your faults were and the best you could come up with was "sometimes I don't do the things I say I will do", your insight into the truth of yourself is pretty minimal. I "chose" to be a sex worker when I was 19 and my first marriage fell apart. After having been bashed by the man I loved for two years, leaving my job because emotionally I could not cope with it and having no success getting another one, I turned to prostitution so I could pay my rent and eat, which is not unusual in girls as damaged as I was at the time who have no family support. Lucky for me I could only manage it for about three months because the guilt I felt was eating me up. I can not begin to explain how exploitative that entire industry is of damaged young women. If only men could keep it in their pants, there would be no need. But men being what they are, thats not likely. If there is no demand there would be no need for supply.

Ergo, how is my use of that particular word misleading?

It is judgemental, and exactly the thing you do that shows that you think you are superior Ian.

Furthermore, given your penchant for, and obvious enjoyment in, falsely labeling others (e.g. "legalist", "Pharisee", etc) I'm surprised that you can keep a straight face whilst playing the hypocrite once again. There are failings, both moral and ethical, which are par for the course with being human.

However, choosing to be a "sex worker", and choosing to have sex with a minor when employed in a position of trust, don't really fall in the aforementioned category. And I doubt that you would be able to find very many Christians of any persuasion who would disagree with me on this point.

Oh I know what Christians think about all that Ian, they left me in no doubt whatsoever. If I had done anything illegal I would be in jail. The fact is, you think I should be and you think I am a disgusting piece of shit, and every single thing you have said to me just drips with it. However, you seem to forget it takes two to tango, and as I have mentioned before the fact I was used and dumped did not hurt any less because I was older than the person involved. I don't have sex with children Ian. The whole episode came very very close to costing me my life. Guess you think that is exactly what I deserved.

But, you will keep rubbing my nose in it as proof positive of what a terrible person I am. I have made a couple of glaring mistakes in life. So? Strangely, the whole episode gave me my life back again. He woke up me the capacity for love, something I thought had long since died during the course of my second marriage. These days I can laugh again, allow myself to make mistakes without beating myself to death over them. I have grown a thicker skin, I no longer want to run off and take my own life when people think badly of me. 

So, say what you like Ian, its all been said before.

From the day I came back to this forum I have watched you speak to every single person who disagrees with you like they are dirt under your feet. That has been the issue the whole time. Now somewhere in there, underneath all the layers of Ian are some attitudes that allow you to do that. All you ever needed to do Ian was examine yourself and ask yourself why you think it is okay to treat people like that. But no, you would rather go through all this mudslinging rubbish.

But you won't because the great Ian Thomason is so perfect, so obedient, so fully understanding of the nature of god that he doesnt need to examine himself, yet still you are a respecter of persons when god says not to be.

My sin is out there for all to see, but yours remains hidden and shall continue to do so.

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Reply To Galien
(Date Posted:01/11/2009 17:30:49)

Galien,

You are very good at judging others, aren't you. But you clearly don't appreciate it when others point out your failings? smiley9

A "sex worker"? What's that? "Politically correct" speech? According to my dictionary the definition for "whore" is as follows: (noun) a woman who engages in sexual activities for payment, a prostitute. Isn't that exactly what you admitted to being?

So? I have no problem telling the truth about anything I have done. And after dragging around a b double of shame for 20 years after the fact even though I had been forgiven, your opinion means nothing. Clearly Ian when I asked you what your faults were and the best you could come up with was "sometimes I don't do the things I say I will do", your insight into the truth of yourself is pretty minimal. I "chose" to be a sex worker when I was 19 and my first marriage fell apart. After having been bashed by the man I loved for two years, leaving my job because emotionally I could not cope with it and having no success getting another one, I turned to prostitution so I could pay my rent and eat, which is not unusual in girls as damaged as I was at the time who have no family support. Lucky for me I could only manage it for about three months because the guilt I felt was eating me up. I can not begin to explain how exploitative that entire industry is of damaged young women. If only men could keep it in their pants, there would be no need. But men being what they are, thats not likely. If there is no demand there would be no need for supply.

I'm very sorry that I couldn't 'fess up to being a "sex worker", or drug addict or murderer to make you feel a little better about yourself. But you really do take the cake when you blame your choices on those men "who couldn't keep it in their pants". Hypocrite! Your own actions with the boy at the school demonstrates that you couldn't contain your lust either smiley34

Ergo, how is my use of that particular word misleading?

It is judgemental, and exactly the thing you do that shows that you think you are superior Ian.

What my use of the word "whore" was, was a statement of fact. You clearly prefer "sex worker", given that it seems less offensive to the ears and character. However, you say po-tay-toe, I say po-tart-ho.

However, choosing to be a "sex worker", and choosing to have sex with a minor when employed in a position of trust, don't really fall in the aforementioned category. And I doubt that you would be able to find very many Christians of any persuasion who would disagree with me on this point.

Oh I know what Christians think about all that Ian, they left me in no doubt whatsoever. If I had done anything illegal I would be in jail. The fact is, you think I should be and you think I am a disgusting piece of shit, and every single thing you have said to me just drips with it. However, you seem to forget it takes two to tango, and as I have mentioned before the fact I was used and dumped did not hurt any less because I was older than the person involved. I don't have sex with children Ian. The whole episode came very very close to costing me my life. Guess you think that is exactly what I deserved.

The only thing I find disgusting are your efforts to minimalise your culpability, so as to justify what you did. Here are the facts: (1) Being under the age of 18, according to the law the boy was a minor and as such he was a child. (2) You were employed by a Christian school, and you were aware of their moral code of conduct, which you agreed to uphold and support. (3) But you didn't. Apparently the boy "couldn't keep it in his pants", and apparently you didn't object to the fact yourself. But how dare those Christians expect you to: (1) behave like a responsible and moral adult! (2) To keep your word! (3) To act like a Christian who understands right from wrong by virtue of supposedly having a regenerate moral compass! Yes, how dare those Christians be offended in discovering your betrayal of them, and your placing their school at risk! How dare they!

But, you will keep rubbing my nose in it as proof positive of what a terrible person I am. I have made a couple of glaring mistakes in life. So? Strangely, the whole episode gave me my life back again. He woke up me the capacity for love, something I thought had long since died during the course of my second marriage. These days I can laugh again, allow myself to make mistakes without beating myself to death over them. I have grown a thicker skin, I no longer want to run off and take my own life when people think badly of me.

I could care less for the fact that you've made mistakes in life, as everyone has. But I do care about the fact that you are so quick to judge others, and then without a shred of proof in support of your allegations. I do care about the fact that you are a blatant hypocrite, and that your actions betray your true character. I do care about the fact that you claim to being a Christian, yet you continue in open disobedience to God, being contrary to his will as found in Scripture.

From the day I came back to this forum I have watched you speak to every single person who disagrees with you like they are dirt under your feet. That has been the issue the whole time. Now somewhere in there, underneath all the layers of Ian are some attitudes that allow you to do that. All you ever needed to do Ian was examine yourself and ask yourself why you think it is okay to treat people like that. But no, you would rather go through all this mudslinging rubbish.

How you perceive I treat people, and how I do treat people are quite different. I have very little time (or stomach) for hypocrisy, willful ignorance, self-delusion or deception. I will engage with people according to the manner in which they are prepared to engage with me, and sometimes that involves calling a "spade" for precisely what it is.

But you won't because the great Ian Thomason is so perfect, so obedient, so fully understanding of the nature of god that he doesnt need to examine himself, yet still you are a respecter of persons when god says not to be. My sin is out there for all to see, but yours remains hidden and shall continue to do so.

The gravest sin that anyone has ever been able to lay at my feet on this site, has been that of arrogance. And that charge usually gets trotted out only after I've conclusively disproved a fallacious opinion or argument. However, I've never been labeled a liar, or a hypocrite given that I expect no more from others than what I expect of myself. If you believe differently, feel free to knock yourself out trying to establish as much.

Goose.

Ian






(Message edited by Didaktikon On 01/11/2009 18:15:30)

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RE:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:01/11/2009 19:57:22)

Ian,

You are very good at judging others, aren't you. But you clearly don't appreciate it when others point out your failings?

I dont need anyone to point out my failings. I live with them every day and am quite well aware what they are.

Im very sorry that I couldn't 'fess up to being a "sex worker", or drug addict or murderer to make you feel a little better about yourself. But you really do take the cake when you blame your choices on those men "who couldn't keep it in their pants". Hypocrite! Your own actions with the boy at the school demonstrates that you couldn't contain your lust either.

It's funny you should say that Ian considering I had been celibate for nine years between the time my husband left and when I had that involvement. Not one single boyfriend, and before that faithful to my husband for the 16 years we were together. Stupidly I allowed a church to talk me into giving up my hatred for mean and changed my antidepressant to one that made my hormones go off like a volcano. Which for a person with chronic depression was pretty amazing seeing I'd had practically no sex drive for about 20 years.You can see how lust driven a creature I am. But don't let the facts get in the way of a good story will you.

You just go on enjoying that charmed life of yours Ian.

The only thing I find disgusting are your efforts to minimalise your culpability, so as to justify what you did. Here are the facts: (1) Being under the age of 18, according to the law the boy was a minor and as such he was a child. (2) You were employed by a Christian school, and you were aware of their moral code of conduct, which you agreed to uphold and support. (3) But you didn't. Apparently the boy "couldn't keep it in his pants", and apparently you didn't object to the fact yourself. But how dare those Christians expect you to: (1) behave like a responsible and moral adult! (2) To keep your word! (3) To act like a Christian who understands right from wrong by virtue of supposedly having a regenerate moral compass! Yes, how dare those Christians be offended in discovering your betrayal of them, and your placing their school at risk! How dare they!

Excuse me you stupid moron but I know EXACTLY what my level of culpability was, and you don't seeing you know nothing about what happened. Clearly if I was culpable to the level that you believe I would have been punished accordingly. The way I was treated by my so called friends was more than enough punishment.  You try living with being accused of things you havent done and being treated like a scarlet woman that deserves nothing better than a good tar and feathering.

Trust me Ian being judged by social mores is not nice, not kind, but exactly what I expect from mindless idiots who make up their own minds without knowing the facts. But hey, all you mindless idiots know more than the relevant statutory bodies. Of course you do. I am the one who has had to live with what happened, not you.

How you perceive I treat people, and how I do treat people are quite different. I have very little time (or stomach) for hypocrisy, willful ignorance, self-delusion or deception. I will engage with people according to the manner in which they are prepared to engage with me, and sometimes that involves calling a "spade" for precisely what it is.

Fine, but don't expect me to respect you as a christian teacher when you willfully refuse to control your own mouth.

The gravest sin that anyone has ever been able to lay at my feet on this site, has been that of arrogance. And that charge usually gets trotted out only after I've conclusively disproved a fallacious opinion or argument. However, I've never been labeled a liar, or a hypocrite given that I expect no more from others than what I expect of myself. If you believe differently, feel free to knock yourself out trying to establish as much.

Well you are the labelling master, are you not? Mr judge jury and executioner in the physical absence of god himself.

I wouldn't bother trying to establish anything Ian seeing you never listen anyway. Just go on being a total prick to people who disagree with you. And why not, its a good ploy to see who will be controlled by you and who wont. I am over you and your silly rot.

You take everything that sucked about revival, dress it up in a new dress labelled christian orthodoxy and continue to treat people exactly the same way. Ludicrous.

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Reply To Galien
(Date Posted:01/11/2009 20:04:50)

Galien,

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Still making excuses in a lame attempt to justify your behaviour, and still bent on blaming others in order to make yourself feel better?

Hypocrite.

Ian

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RE:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:01/11/2009 21:05:14)

Ian,

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Still making excuses in a lame attempt to justify your behaviour, and still bent on blaming others in order to make yourself feel better?

STILL holding me accountable for things I have been forgiven for as though that is in some way your right, and STILL having about as much compassion as a piece of photocopy paper.

Arrogant.

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Reply To Galien
(Date Posted:01/11/2009 21:12:17)

Galien,

'Nope', just reminding you of the fact of your hypocrisy, m'dear, in the (vain) hope that you'd finally learn to listen rather than continuing your practice of making unfounded allegations and personal attacks And that is one very clear distinction between us, I suppose. What I've written has been factual; based on your admissions. The faerie tales that you've offered up, however, aren't based on anything more substantial than your imagination.

And as for me showing you compassion, well, I'm finding it rather difficult to be compassionate to one so self-serving, self-justified and arrogant as you smiley9

Goose.

Ian


(Message edited by Didaktikon On 01/11/2009 21:22:23)

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