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(Date Posted:29/04/2008 18:43:42)

Given that the revivalists conform to their leaders guidelines and practise that very non christian thing of 'shunning' I'm assuming many EX revivalist have had to dismiss or ignore their old family and friends and concentrate on only associating with 'saints' or fellow xians of the 'right' church...

I'm wondering what you did ..what things happened to restore past relationships ...if that was possible and how it felt trying to go back if indeed it was something you choose to do.
If not...why not?

Thanks ..curious

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In exchange for obedience, Christianity promises salvation in an afterlife; but in order to elicit obedience through this promise, Christianity must convince people that they need salvation, that there is something to be saved from. Christianity has nothing to offer a happy person living in a natural, intelligible universe. If Christianity is to gain a motivational foothold, it must declare war on earthly pleasure and happiness, and this, historically, has been its precise course of action. In the eyes of Christianity, woman(man) is sinful and helpless in the face of God, and is potential fuel for the flames of hell. Just as Christianity must destroy reason before it can introduce faith, so it must destroy happiness before it can introduce salvation.

-- George H Smith, Atheism: The Case Against God

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RE:How did you Rescue your past relationships
(Date Posted:29/04/2008 22:42:59)

Reply to snakechic (29/04/2008 18:43:42).

Given that the revivalists conform to their leaders guidelines and practise that very non christian thing of 'shunning' I'm assuming many EX revivalist have had to dismiss or ignore their old family and friends and concentrate on only associating with 'saints' or fellow xians of the 'right' church...

I'm wondering what you did ..what things happened to restore past relationships ...if that was possible and how it felt trying to go back if indeed it was something you choose to do.
If not...why not?

Thanks ..curious


I think it would be more appropriate if you told us first what you did.
If you never came out of such a situation, what is the reason you are asking this.? :quizzical:
Are you asking this just to find something that fits in with your point of view or are you genuinely seeking the truth about God etc.?

Thanks..curious

(Message edited by brolga On 29/04/2008 22:47:03)

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RE:How did you Rescue your past relationships
(Date Posted:30/04/2008 16:36:54)

Reply to brolga (29/04/2008 22:42:59)

I think it would be more appropriate if you told us first  what you did.
If you never came out of such a situation, what is the reason you are asking this.? :quizzical:
Are you asking this just to find something that fits in with your point of view or are you genuinely seeking the truth about God etc.?

Thanks..curious

(Message edited by brolga on 29/04/2008 22:47:03)

Fair enough.
I would certainly write and be open about any experiences I've had with revivalist but in this situation I cannot.  I"m simply not in that  position. If you like...I'm at the 'pointy end' of the stick in this regard, that is why I"m asking for other's points of view or experiences. ie. How was it for you?  My family are members of the Tony Addison tribe - which of course is very sad but its also something I cannot change. I am curious...about the 'what ifs'...what happens to Ex revivalists when its decided by the individual  to establish links to the 'real' world - their family links. I'm sure a lot of people who have family inside these groups would be curious.

Brolga...I completely understand if you don't wish to participate in this thread or answer any questions I or people like myself may have about the 'revivalist' experience.  People are very damaged and I understand that perhaps there is still some 'suspicion' of 'outsiders'.?

but...my question has nothing to do with 'god' and no I'm not seeking that kind of 'truth'......I don't know why you'd bring this up in the context of my question/post.
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(Message edited by snakechic On 30/04/2008 16:39:29)

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In exchange for obedience, Christianity promises salvation in an afterlife; but in order to elicit obedience through this promise, Christianity must convince people that they need salvation, that there is something to be saved from. Christianity has nothing to offer a happy person living in a natural, intelligible universe. If Christianity is to gain a motivational foothold, it must declare war on earthly pleasure and happiness, and this, historically, has been its precise course of action. In the eyes of Christianity, woman(man) is sinful and helpless in the face of God, and is potential fuel for the flames of hell. Just as Christianity must destroy reason before it can introduce faith, so it must destroy happiness before it can introduce salvation.

-- George H Smith, Atheism: The Case Against God

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RE:How did you Rescue your past relationships
(Date Posted:30/04/2008 18:47:19)

Hi Snakey,

for what it's worth- my immediate family are still in the GRC.
Have been successfully "shunned" by them for lots of years now.
I have built bridges with other family members, who I must say have been very understanding and forgiving towards me.
WHY-- because according to the teachings of the GRC, I cut myself off from them for many years.
Now, family (outside my own nuclear family) exists and I have the knowledge that I still have connections and a sense of belonging within the broader context of family.  
The only problem,---- they speak about family members that they think I have knowledge of, but a lot of the time I haven't a clue who they are talking about, because I have been out of the "worldly" family loop for so long.
I now have a book with "tips" on who belongs to who.
The people I feel most "comfortable" around however, are ex GRCers, because of the shared experiences and the fact that people cannot possibly understand "what makes you tick" if they haven't "been there and done that". 

Cheers,
Glad

(Message edited by Glad-to be out On 30/04/2008 22:58:16)

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RE:How did you Rescue your past relationships
(Date Posted:30/04/2008 21:28:17)

........... People are very damaged and I understand that perhaps there is still some 'suspicion' of 'outsiders'.?

but...my question  has nothing to do with 'god' and no I'm not seeking that kind of 'truth'......I don't know why you'd bring this up in the context of my question/post.
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(Message edited by snakechic on 30/04/2008 16:39:29)

Snakechic, no probs.
My initial reaction to your signature, George G Smith etc, was more to the defence of the Gospel than to you personally, though one that aligns themselves with such should expect a reaction whether was the nature of the said question or not.
 That is why as "Guest" (forgot to log in) I put 'WRONG' and couldn't  take the comment any further as I had not looked into the "doings" of the Author at the time.
However I expected a comment or two from others on the matter and I couldn't have expressed it any better. I try not make a practice ducking for cover behind others that have more knowledge in matters and is part of reason I have undertaken a course in theology.
As far as your inquiry goes, my situation, GRC etc., has been fairly well shown in past posts and wouldn't bore you with same details now, except to say it was mainly to do with the false doctrine and teaching I finally got out of Revival. Most of the rest was result of my own human frailty. I still have family members attending and even if for their sakes and if I was able to, I wouldn't go back because I would be doing them a great injustice hiding the truth as I see it now and keeping them in bondage.

brolga

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Reply To brolga
(Date Posted:01/05/2008 16:34:31)

Brolga
My initial reaction to your signature, George  G Smith etc, was more to the defence of the Gospel  than to you personally, though one that aligns themselves with such should expect a reaction whether was the nature of the said question or not.

Oh really?  Goodness me!? I had no idea...meaning no preconceived idea that people would feel a  need to defend the 'gospel' - a certain biblical stance / interpretation.  There are a lot of non believers in this world so NO definitely NOt....I didn't expect any such thing  I sometimes forget that some  'believers' can be intolerant of other world views - including other 'religious' view points.  I don't feel the need to 'defend' anything so no I don't take it personally.

  That is why as "Guest" (forgot to log in) I put 'WRONG' and  couldn't   take the comment any further as I had not looked into the "doings" of the Author at the time.

Oh okay..?

However I expected a comment or two from others on the matter and I couldn't have expressed it any better. I try not make a practice  ducking for cover behind others that have more knowledge in matters and is part of reason I have undertaken a course in theology.

 Really...I guess you were one expecting a similar reaction. ?
That's your 'truth' I guess?  Smile


As far as your inquiry goes, my situation, GRC etc., has been fairly well shown in past posts and wouldn't bore you with same details now, except to say it was mainly to do with the false doctrine and teaching I finally got out of Revival. Most of the rest was result of my own human frailty. I still have family members attending and even if for their sakes and if I was able to, I wouldn't go back because I would be doing them a great injustice hiding the truth as I see it now  and keeping them in bondage.

Yes..I guess many people leave behind family and friends - its so sad -the whole  'intolerance' thing
Why do  the revivalist practise this extreme kind of intolerate to  different 'beliefs'? Rhetorical question...thinking out loud....



Ps. competely understand you not wanting to answer /  go over old ground.

(Message edited by snakechic On 01/05/2008 16:36:46)

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In exchange for obedience, Christianity promises salvation in an afterlife; but in order to elicit obedience through this promise, Christianity must convince people that they need salvation, that there is something to be saved from. Christianity has nothing to offer a happy person living in a natural, intelligible universe. If Christianity is to gain a motivational foothold, it must declare war on earthly pleasure and happiness, and this, historically, has been its precise course of action. In the eyes of Christianity, woman(man) is sinful and helpless in the face of God, and is potential fuel for the flames of hell. Just as Christianity must destroy reason before it can introduce faith, so it must destroy happiness before it can introduce salvation.

-- George H Smith, Atheism: The Case Against God

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