Anonymous
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Registered:06/04/2001
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(Date Posted:15/10/2006 13:04:43)
Look under www.yell.co.uk
Christian Assemblies Europe
Pitversie House, Perth Rd, Abernethy, Perth, Perthshire PH2 9LW
Classification:
Charitable & Voluntary Organisations
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Anonymous
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Registered:06/04/2001
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(Date Posted:04/11/2006 15:06:58)
$%*'`[spear of destiny]%*'`@ Reply to : Anonymous
Look underwww.yell.co.ukChristian Assemblies EuropePitversie House, Perth Rd, Abernethy, Perth, Perthshire PH2 9LWTel:01738850440Classification:Charitable & Voluntary Organisations
... anyone know the address / phone number for EHQ (European Head Quarters) in Dollar, Clackmannanshire?
... anyone know the direct phone number to call Scott at PHQ (secret number - for pastors only)
... anyone know Scott's mobile phone number?
Wouldn't harm to let him know personally that his clock is ticking ........
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Anonymous
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Registered:06/04/2001
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(Date Posted:05/11/2006 01:45:00)
Reply to : Anonymous
Look underwww.yell.co.ukChristian Assemblies EuropePitversie House, Perth Rd, Abernethy, Perth, Perthshire PH2 9LWTel:01738850440Classification:Charitable & Voluntary Organisations
Charitable and Voluntary Organisations - is that someone? idea of a joke?
But, seriously if someone were to report CAE to the charities monitoring organisation and show them a few of the official offering messages (the ones stating the minimum amounts that everyone has to give) that they? be in big trouble. There? nothing charitable or voluntary about it at all. Neither do they "further the advancement of religion" which is their official charity status.
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anon1
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Rank:Regular Poster
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Registered:20/09/2006
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(Date Posted:05/11/2006 13:03:39)
Hi all
... links of interest:
The Charities Commission for England and Wales : http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/
About Registerd Charities : www.charity-commission.gov.uk/registeredcharities
Setting up a charity in Scotland : http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/guidance/charity-scotland.htm
See this link for information for declaring a charity : http://www.opsi.gov.uk/legislation/scotland/acts2005/50010--c.htm#7
Scottish Council for Voluntary Organisations : http://www.scvo.org.uk/scvo/Home/Home.aspx - not very useful
Office of the Scottish Charity Regulator : http://www.oscr.org.uk/ this is good: this organisation governs the status of the CAI.
Scottish Charity No. Charity Name Postcode
SC007185 Christian Assemblies Europe EH1 2YU
Click for exact details : http://www.oscr.org.uk/CharityIndexDetails.aspx?id=7185
NOTE: charitable purposes : the advancement of religion
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/legislation/scotland/acts2005/20050010.htm#aofs
Advancement of Religion;
- to 'attack' the charatible status of the CAI, someone would have to argue that CAI does not work to advance religion. (It does 'advance religion' but may be a religion most here don't agree with...). This would be extremely hard - CAI are promoters of 'religion', holding meetings, talks, outreaches and leafleting and Scott campaigns on politicial/social issues in the name of the church. No different from other active churches. There could be other reasons for investigation, but someone would have to have to look around the law more. CAI always made a show to members it complied with the financial charible compliance parts of the law, I imagine they still do, so this could be a hard one to crack, if it needs cracking. Accusations of 'financial mis-doings' mentioned in this or others threads, if proven could possibly be used to change the status of the CAI.... though I did believe when I was in the church that they were honest in their handling of money. (The question of 'extracting' money from the members - tithes/offering/big offerings/fines - probably does not break any law).
The voluntary state of the church is acceptable, we/members chose to join it (though some were under strong pyschological pressure to do so). We can also leave at anytime, though that can prove hard. I imagine the Mormons the RC Church also claim chritable statues to futher the advance of religion etc - and they (in my eyes) are particularly nasty religions.
Rgds
Anon1 PS -
- not bad from tithes etc of approx. 300 adults
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klopperr
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Rank:Newbie
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Registered:27/09/2006
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(Date Posted:05/11/2006 15:23:06)
Reply to : anon1
Hi all... links of interest:The Charities Commission for England and Wales :http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/About Registerd Charities :www.charity-commission.gov.uk/registeredcharitiesSetting up a charity in Scotland :http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/guidance/charity-scotland.htm
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klopperr
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(Date Posted:05/11/2006 15:26:12)
what about:
- psychological / undue pressure ,
- causing post-traumatic disorder (if...),
- sexual advances at underageds (?)
have there been no precedents of claims against cults?
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Anonymous
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Registered:06/04/2001
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(Date Posted:05/11/2006 16:37:18)
but the giving of money in CAI is not voluntary. Normally when people give to a charity they choose what kind of charity they think is worth supporting and they also decide on the amount. Some charities may suggest a minimum donation but they are not going to take any action if you give less.
On the contrary in the CAI you are told what to give, when to give it, and you are checked up on and made to give more if you did not give the required amount. If this could be proved I don? think they could continue to call themselves a charity. I don? believe they receive any money from outside of their members.
The money in Scotland is also not the full story, if you consider that there is a limited company in Aus collecting even more money. Probably all money "collected" in Scotland is sent on to Aus after the costs needed for Scotland have been deducted. The amounts coming in in the Aus company are closer to millions, which just shows how CAI bleeds its members dry. This money is NOT given voluntarily, there are many who struggle to meet the obligatory amounts for offerings as well as paying tithe and the monthly offering which was also dictated as being a certain percentage of the tithe. Scott always preaches that women should stay at home if their husband? job allows for it but whenever anyone has tried to do just that they were reprimanded for being a lazy bitch and made to go back to work at least part-time. Why? A stay-at-home mom just doesn? bring any cash into the CAI tills.
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Anonymous
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Registered:06/04/2001
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(Date Posted:05/11/2006 21:20:59)
Is CAI a religious movement? I thought it was Scott? personally little Red light district.
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Anonymous
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Registered:06/04/2001
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(Date Posted:05/11/2006 22:19:34)
$%*'`[Anon of Course]%*'`@Reply to : Anonymous
Is CAI a religious movement? I thought it was Scott? personally little Red light district.
Classic :-) Laughed myself silly again :-)
Although, a red light district CAN actually cost someone a lot of money and judging from the other posts the money is flowing the other way :-)
Anon of Course
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anon1
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Rank:Regular Poster
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Registered:20/09/2006
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(Date Posted:06/11/2006 00:03:35)
Hello Anonymous (Date Posted: 07/11/2006 12:37:18 AM )
mmm - you have a good point. I do remember people being reprimanded (heavily) for not Tithing or giving sufficient offerings. Sorry you do have a point.
It may be worth writing a letter to the Scottish Charities board... whatever they are called.....
Rgds to the Aus organisation.... it may be worth finding out more..... millions, though sounds a little extreme.... there aren't that many members.....
Rgds
Anon1
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-Little-
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Rank:Rookier
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Re:Does somebody know the address to CAI´s house, Pitversie House, in Scotland, UK?
(Date Posted:28/02/2009 13:34:30)
Excerpt of "The Scottish
Charity Register" (last updated on 27 February 2009):
http://www.oscr.org.uk/CharityIndexDetails.aspx?id=SC007185
or following table:
ANNUAL RETURN SUBMISSION HISTORY
Mailing Cycle Financial Year Annual Return
Year End Income
Issued Checked
2005
31-12-2003 £100,862.00 29-04-2005 02-09-2005
2006
31-12-2006 £221,267.00 22-02-2007 06-11-2007
2007
31-12-2007 £185,935.00 10-01-2008 29-10-2008
2008
31-12-2008 - 06-01-2009 -
(Message edited by -Little- On 28/02/2009 13:41:54)
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strawberrysteve
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Registered:06/01/2008
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Re:Does somebody know the address to CAI´s house, Pitversie House, in Scotland, UK?
(Date Posted:08/03/2009 06:45:50)
It's like the Mafia!
Money flows up and shit flows down.
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